A stupid poll

[XR7-4.6]

Or someone you don't give a shit about.

Joe

Both for me

 

[Derphound01]

Michael Jackson, U2, Tom Petty, Prince, and The Who have been my favorite halftimes to date. I haven't enjoyed any of the halftime shows since then other than Coldplay.

But I also watch the game. I'm not a big NFL fan but I watch it when the Colts are good. Unless the Colts are playing in the SB, I just enjoy getting to watch a game of two decent teams where I don't have a dog in the fight.

 

[Derphound01]

Also this.

 

[Grog6]

The colts, with Johnny Unitas, was my favorite team. Haven't really had one since.

 

[dDUBb]

I watch the Superbowl every year with the family, snack buffet and / or home made meal, and a few mixed drinks.

Been traveling out of town since last Thanksgiving; from SF to LA then Palm Springs twice, and up to Fort Bragg every M-F for work, so im home for the next two days ..

49ers fan here since the early 90s .. Joe Montana / Jerry Rice era. Its good to see Sam Darnold make it to the SB; even though he was our former "backup" .. he played well and only got better the next two seasons. But im inclined to go for the Patriots after the last two losses at Seattle @Green T

Game is hosted in my hometown at Levi's Stadium - for the second time, 20 minutes from the house. Yesterday there was a late flyover with 4 fighter jets, probably rehearsing for the game - I see them before they finish singing on TV. One of my first jobs in the trade was building the stadium in 2012-2013; so ive traveled the insides from the locker rooms to the announcers booth.

After the SB, there is going to be some world cup games .. we have Avaya soccer stadium 10 minutes away from Levi's, but its not as big.

 

[Green T]

 

[XR7-4.6]

The colts, with Johnny Unitas, was my favorite team.

I remember when I was a little kid he thwarted a bunch of surfer bank robbers wearing presidents masks. Crazy times!

 

[Grog6]

 

[Chingon1]

I just wanted to ask, did you guys watch the Super Bowl halftime show??

Personally, I don’t like that music and as a Latino it gives us a bad wrap. That shit is pretty much immoral sex music, glorying 1 night stands and shit like that, on the other hand our women love that weak ass music haha every song is literally the same thing. Rediculous, women don’t want to be objectified but they objectify themselves through this music it’s crazy.

 

[MadMikeyL]

No. Dude came out mumbling so bad I couldn’t even tell what language he was allegedly singing in. I heard something on the radio that it was the most watched halftime show ever, but I call BS on that.

 

[Derphound01]

No. Dude came out mumbling so bad I couldn’t even tell what language he was allegedly singing in. I heard something on the radio that it was the most watched halftime show ever, but I call BS on that.

I speak just enough Spanish to have been able to converse with customers in my time as a service writer. My wife is fluent in Spanish and French and was once a high school foreign language teacher. Neither of us could understand any of it. I went to make a coffee when he started dancing on the pickup.

I'm sure it was indeed the most watched show by the numbers. Awful performance or not, it's still a huge demographic. Plus I'm sure that those who didn't bother to watch the TPUSA trash also didn't bother to change the channel away from BB when he came on. The Nielsen boxes were still logging their viewing (are those even a thing today?).

 

[Green T]

I did not understand a word, but I still turned it up real loud Perhaps the Coronas and tequila helped with that though.

SeaHAWKS!!

The victory parade is tomorrow; they expect 1 million people to show up. I am probably going to go check it out, will take pics.

 

[Zep5.0]

I didn't watch any of it and can't say I feel I missed out. I don't have any dislike of BB but I don't know any of his stuff, and the general type of music isn't my thing. Mostly just avoid anything political anymore.

What will be interesting long term, is of any Spanish speaking people that don't currently watch the NFL will moving forward.

 

[Derphound01]

What will be interesting long term, is of any Spanish speaking people that don't currently watch the NFL will moving forward.

I was listening to the NASCAR channel on SiriusXM yesterday and this got brought up. They were discussing NASCAR holding races internationally and whether it actually added to the fan base or was just a novelty. They brought up the international NFL games and BB's show as a comparison.

Their consensus is that it didn't compare to NASCAR because the NFL long ago "maxed out" their viewing base of English speaking Americans. There's no other sport in America that has a larger fan base, so going international was *imperative* for growing the sport any further. Rounding for simplicity, the NFL pulls an average of 20m viewers per game while NASCAR averages 2m per week.

Basically they said that the NFL had to do it while NASCAR gets to do it.

 

[Irv]

I just wanted to ask, did you guys watch the Super Bowl halftime show??

Personally, I don’t like that music and as a Latino it gives us a bad wrap. That shit is pretty much immoral sex music, glorying 1 night stands and shit like that, on the other hand our women love that weak ass music haha every song is literally the same thing. Rediculous, women don’t want to be objectified but they objectify themselves through this music it’s crazy.

I didn't watch any part of the Super Bowl other than some clips of the fourth quarter, but I did listen to a few Bad Bunny songs on YouTube for the first time after reading your post to get some context. I was thinking it wasn't going to be any more controversial than Despacito was in 2017, which despite being classified as reggaeton (I don't agree; more on that later), honestly picked up a memed reputation for being severely overplayed more than anything else.

Okay, so the lyrics of Bad Bunny's biggest hits are unquestionably worse. Usually, I'd say, "It's not that deep," because even though I do tend to appreciate songs with deeper lyrical/subject complexity, I also sometimes enjoy mindlessly literal music with a good beat and melody. Bad Bunny isn't for me though with a couple of his genres being trap and reggaeton, neither of which I like because I generally find them acoustically dull and repetitive, and the lyrics are as trite as can be.

As for the actual halftime show which I also just watched, the middle part from Lady Gaga to Ricky Martin was fine, but I had more trouble than usual deciphering Bad Bunny's rapping and singing. I can only best equate his lyrical style to mumble rap in Spanish, which means none of the Spanish I've taken from primary education through college remotely helped.

But whatever. One artist's music doesn't give an entire ethnicity a bad rap. You can't treat an entire group of people as a monolith.

 

[1997ThunderbirdLXV6]

I saw bits of it,  seeing being the operative term here, while I was at my usual Sunday karaoke bar. So I didn't hear any of it.

As to the visuals, I thought it was extremely well done. I loved the camera following him around, the large number of dancers, and how he climbed up the pole.

As to the music, I admit I hadn't even heard of Bad Bunny prior to this. I don't speak Spanish, but I often enjoy music in languages I don't understand, especially Italian. And I will say, there's plenty of English music where I do not understand the lyrics. If it's the mumble style singing, it all becomes a blur regardless of language.

I haven't really had an interest in watching the whole thing with sound as of yet...
Generally speaking, I always feel Super Bowl halftime shows never really do the artist justice. It always ends up being a medley of excerpts from their biggest hits. If you're a fan of that singer, it feels like your favorite songs are cut short.

 

[Chingon1]

But whatever. One artist's music doesn't give an entire ethnicity a bad rap. You can't treat an entire group of people as a monolith.

Not to sound confrontational or anything but people already kinda do, they hear Mexican or Spanish and immediately think of tequila and narcos haha

while I do believe in freedom of expression and doing and hearing whatever you like, this music is detrimental to society as a whole. It’s literally sexual immorality and depravity. I don’t think it’s good for the youth to listen to this because it promotes a life style OTHER than what’s natural, a health long term relationship instead of multiple flings.

Personally I blame social conditioning and the powers that be controlling the masses through music. It’s pretty easy to corrupt the youth through music in this way.

For example, cardi B (don’t care much for her either) has said in interviews that she DOES NOT play HER OWN music around her children, I wonder why that is.

Anyways, I don’t care what people like or don’t like, I just see how something as simple as music can have disastrous effects in the long term, aka the birth rates plummeting and nobody getting married anymore. Pretty much the big wigs don’t have to bomb us or kill us, we are slowly dying faster than we can reproduce

 

[Irv]

Not to sound confrontational or anything but people already kinda do, they hear Mexican or Spanish and immediately think of tequila and narcos haha

Oh, I know and agree on this. It was more of a general statement that people should be conscious of their biases and actively challenge them, but a lot of people unfortunately validate their beliefs by giving more credence to examples that confirm them due to laziness or ignorance. It's like the Mexican filter in movies. The fact that it's called the Mexican filter is telling enough.

 

[MadMikeyL]

Not to sound confrontational or anything but people already kinda do, they hear Mexican or Spanish and immediately think of tequila and narcos haha

while I do believe in freedom of expression and doing and hearing whatever you like, this music is detrimental to society as a whole. It’s literally sexual immorality and depravity. I don’t think it’s good for the youth to listen to this because it promotes a life style OTHER than what’s natural, a health long term relationship instead of multiple flings.

Personally I blame social conditioning and the powers that be controlling the masses through music. It’s pretty easy to corrupt the youth through music in this way.

For example, cardi B (don’t care much for her either) has said in interviews that she DOES NOT play HER OWN music around her children, I wonder why that is.

Anyways, I don’t care what people like or don’t like, I just see how something as simple as music can have disastrous effects in the long term, aka the birth rates plummeting and nobody getting married anymore. Pretty much the big wigs don’t have to bomb us or kill us, we are slowly dying faster than we can reproduce

There’s a chicken or the egg situation going on here. Is society collapsing because the music is terrible, or is the music terrible because society is collapsing? I tend to think it’s more the latter. Certainly there’s a feedback loop where one artist like that becoming huge leads to more people mimicking them, but in a healthy society, I tend to think there isn’t the appetite for it. Look back at the 90s, and there were plenty of bands with extremely violent or sexualized lyrics, but they were niche, not mainstream, and certainly not playing to any audience as large as the Super Bowl.

 

[Chingon1]

There’s a chicken or the egg situation going on here. Is society collapsing because the music is terrible, or is the music terrible because society is collapsing? I tend to think it’s more the latter. Certainly there’s a feedback loop where one artist like that becoming huge leads to more people mimicking them, but in a healthy society, I tend to think there isn’t the appetite for it. Look back at the 90s, and there were plenty of bands with extremely violent or sexualized lyrics, but they were niche, not mainstream, and certainly not playing to any audience as large as the Super Bowl.

Definitely I get what you’re saying, I mean in the sense of, every year the music gets more and more immoral. Consistently getting more and more graphic, for example my mom and many Mexican women are huge novels fanatics. The change they have gone through is crazy, novelas now a days are pretty much soft porn. Same thing with music, it’s becoming progressively worse as the years go on, much more vivid and destructive. But like I said to each his own.

It’s like they story of the frog who get put in hot water, he’s jumping out that bitch immediately, put em in cold water then slowly turn the heat up, you getting a boiled frog in no time. Same with society. What once once taboo is now becoming normalized.

 

[XR7-4.6]

Not to sound confrontational or anything but people already kinda do, they hear Mexican or Spanish and immediately think of tequila and narcos haha

while I do believe in freedom of expression and doing and hearing whatever you like, this music is detrimental to society as a whole. It’s literally sexual immorality and depravity. I don’t think it’s good for the youth to listen to this because it promotes a life style OTHER than what’s natural, a health long term relationship instead of multiple flings.

I guess the argument I’ll make is this isn’t exactly a new thing, Rock & Roll was immediately condemned as something corrupting the youth and through the decades and evolving subgenres of it remained so, randomly drop the needle on any AC/DC, Guns & Roses album and you’ll hear a song or 12 glorifying one night stands.

Bad Bunny is just noise to me, as is pretty much most rap music. To me the performance was neither offensive or inoffensive. I didn’t understand much and all I could think/ponder was could anyone in the stadium even see him past the tall sugar cane set pieces? As a white guy (albeit with my own questionable music taste), it just seemed like cookie cutter rap but in a different language, I didn’t think he represents the Latino community doing it any more than Emenim represents white people.

Personally I blame social conditioning and the powers that be controlling the masses through music. It’s pretty easy to corrupt the youth through music in this way.

For example, cardi B (don’t care much for her either) has said in interviews that she DOES NOT play HER OWN music around her children, I wonder why that is.

Anyways, I don’t care what people like or don’t like, I just see how something as simple as music can have disastrous effects in the long term, aka the birth rates plummeting and nobody getting married anymore. Pretty much the big wigs don’t have to bomb us or kill us, we are slowly dying faster than we can reproduce

I mean the global population literally doubled since 1960, I don’t think there’s much concern of depopulation, let alone immoral music causing it because, like I said, it existed already.

I don’t believe the deep state or whatever is promoting population reduction, they need population growth to sustain economic growth, which is what gives them their power. There’s a valid tin foil hat theory that they’d have no problem having a decayed society with a massive population to compete for the ever smaller morsels of wealth they “trickle down” to us to stay productive, but they’re not going to destabilize society with LESS people.

 

[Fireofficer5]

I though the half time show would be Kevin Heart reprising his role as Bigg bunny.

 

[CDsDontBurn]

There needs to be an option of, "What's a Superbowl" for those of us who are completely inept of this....Hand Egg sport thing.

 

[1997ThunderbirdLXV6]

I'm not familiar with Big Bunny's lyrics, nor am I interested enough to look them up, but to say that overtly sexualized music was new to our times is forgetting a whole lot of very mainstream music from my high school days in the 90s:

• Madonna sang about justifying her love
• Michael Jackson sang about keeping it in the closet
• Prince about getting off
• George Michael about fast love and doing it outside

I think what may be different nowadays is that artists build a brand on sexualized music, whereas those 90s stars went through their sexual phase, then returned to other stuff.

 

[Chingon1]

@XR7-4.6 i get what you mean, I’m just saying it gets progressively worse with each generation. Lets say for example 20 years ago it was hard to find gay people on tv, now they are in everything haha. Times are changing and will continue to change. To started with regaeton, now this is the new iteration, more vulgar. Since I speak Spanish (not to toot my own horn ) I understand these lyrics and godamn, it’s crazy.

well in the 1960’s the population blew up due to everybody coming back from WW2 and getting it on if I remember correctly. Plus the nuclear family in those days was much more cherished than it is now, nobody wants to get married anymore or it’s a lot more difficult. Everybodies advice is to just get divorced if your not happy as opposed to working on it.

Plus, I’m Olin the boat that thinks a smaller society is a lot easier to control. I get your point of they need us in numbers for them to sustain their lifestyle, but I always remember that scene from ants where the grasshoppers are talking about the threat of the ants in NUMBERS. So I feel like they are threatened by us. Tin foil hat thought, I believe that is what Covid was, a way to reduce some of the population and get rid of alot of the older folks taking in their retirement funds. But that’s another topic that most won’t agree with.

 

[Chingon1]

Also small tip for anybody thinking of maybe speaking Spanish a lil bettter. My advice is always try and read the alphabet in Spanish and it’ll definitely help you speak it fluently. The tonality of the alphabets is different, English is like a lower tone compared to Spanish.

 

[CDsDontBurn]

Also small tip for anybody thinking of maybe speaking Spanish a lil bettter. My advice is always try and read the alphabet in Spanish and it’ll definitely help you speak it fluently. The tonality of the alphabets is different, English is like a lower tone compared to Spanish.

Also, there is school taught Spanish and literal Spanish you speak in common with everyone else. It's completely different.

 

[1997ThunderbirdLXV6]

20 years ago it was hard to find gay people on tv.

Or on automotive forums for that matter!

But again, I disagree to an extent. My perception of 20 years ago is that gay people, or gay content, was present. Watch old Frasier episodes for example, and you'll come across gay-themed episodes. Golden Girls. Mainstream stuff.

What's different nowadays is that gay characters are shoehorned into every show, just for representation, which feels forced. That's one way to look at it.
Another way to look at it is that gay characters are ever-present because that's just reality. I mean can you go a day without interacting with at least one gay person?

It's just harder nowadays to ignore gay people. Which seems fine. I think what's more problematic is that gay issues, like most things, have become more polarized. For example, people in favor of gay marriage are considered left nowadays; makes no sense. Marriage and monogamy are clearly conservative values; if you're in favor of gay marriage, you promote conservative values within the gay community. Case in point, Kelsey Grammar, famously a Republican, is a strong proponent of gay marriage.

 

[XR7-4.6]

Or on automotive forums for that matter!

But again, I disagree to an extent. My perception of 20 years ago is that gay people, or gay content, was present. Watch old Frasier episodes for example, and you'll come across gay-themed episodes. Golden Girls. Mainstream stuff.

What's different nowadays is that gay characters are shoehorned into every show, just for representation, which feels forced. That's one way to look at it.
Another way to look at it is that gay characters are ever-present because that's just reality. I mean can you go a day without interacting with at least one gay person?

It's just harder nowadays to ignore gay people. Which seems fine. I think what's more problematic is that gay issues, like most things, have become more polarized. For example, people in favor of gay marriage are considered left nowadays; makes no sense. Marriage and monogamy are clearly conservative values; if you're in favor of gay marriage, you promote conservative values within the gay community. Case in point, Kelsey Grammar, famously a Republican, is a strong proponent of gay marriage.

I was going to say, watch any 60s sitcom or game show Paul Lynde was a regular on, and he was on ALOT. Nobody watching cared, he was funny! That’s the biggest difference between today and yesterday’s representation , there’s much more tokenism in casting tv and shows where it seems like they’re trying harder to check all the boxes than actually create watchable content. It’s hard not to watch a remake or reboot of a movie now and come away with the only notable part outside the watered down recycled script is “so the dude from the old one is black lesbian now?”

 

[XR7-4.6]

@XR7-4.6 i get what you mean, I’m just saying it gets progressively worse with each generation. Lets say for example 20 years ago it was hard to find gay people on tv, now they are in everything haha. Times are changing and will continue to change. To started with regaeton, now this is the new iteration, more vulgar. Since I speak Spanish (not to toot my own horn ) I understand these lyrics and godamn, it’s crazy.

well in the 1960’s the population blew up due to everybody coming back from WW2 and getting it on if I remember correctly. Plus the nuclear family in those days was much more cherished than it is now, nobody wants to get married anymore or it’s a lot more difficult. Everybodies advice is to just get divorced if your not happy as opposed to working on it.

Plus, I’m Olin the boat that thinks a smaller society is a lot easier to control. I get your point of they need us in numbers for them to sustain their lifestyle, but I always remember that scene from ants where the grasshoppers are talking about the threat of the ants in NUMBERS. So I feel like they are threatened by us. Tin foil hat thought, I believe that is what Covid was, a way to reduce some of the population and get rid of alot of the older folks taking in their retirement funds. But that’s another topic that most won’t agree with.

This is veering off topic hard but Strategy is more important than numbers, ask any historian. The problem with large populations is it’s harder to coordinate, harder to strategize, and harder to motivate. Large populations will sooner fight with each other before getting anywhere near blows with the powerful.

The key flaw I see in your Covid theory(which btw I do have tin foil hat thoughts about) is if you’re going to weaken the population numbers why would you wipe out the age group that is most certainly the least able bodied to fight??? If you’re going to reduce population to theoretically reduce the threat of an uprising you want to get rid of the young and strong… I don’t believe this but I could throw on my own tin foil hat and say the trend of anti-vaxxing would be more effective at reintroducing long defeated diseases to the young population to kneecap them by they’re at prime fighting age…


Smaller populations tend to move faster, be more coordinated, be more on the same page ideologically. I think that’s why the US became the superpower it did in a mere blink of an eye, that small New England population was eager to band together and break away from the British and expand westward thereafter. We’d never be able to collectively do that with our current population, half the country would be pro British empire