1997ThunderbirdLXV6
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Those of us with base MN12 seats may find lower back support lacking. Retrofit is reasonably easy. But first, let's start with an overview:
From what I can tell, Ford employed three different types of power lumbar systems over the years.
Pictured below on the left is our base seat back support (using springs). On the right is the canvas lumbar bladder (using hooks).
![20240305_170906.jpg 20240305_170906.jpg](https://forum.birdcats.com/data/attachments/4/4290-a53c3315e4a95b46634de2473b4b324c.jpg)
I decided to combine both elements together, separated by a thin sheet of foam.
![20240305_171214.jpg 20240305_171214.jpg](https://forum.birdcats.com/data/attachments/4/4291-3dbcfcbb7509c327d50685a92e749c8b.jpg)
Then I installed it using the springs. (Not pictured is foam added inside the seat frame behind the back support, to protect the installation from the somewhat sharp metal.)
![20240305_172729.jpg 20240305_172729.jpg](https://forum.birdcats.com/data/attachments/4/4292-569b2afca77d496e9c4d055c21fec11c.jpg)
Now comes a bit of plumbing. I didn't pick up enough of the black tubing so I had to improvise with some clear tubing I had at home.
I selected the pump with electric release valve, so it's not a true factory MN12 retrofit. As I mentioned in the ...today thread, the release valve causes some odd speaker interference. I suppose it's harmless, but as always, proceed at your own risk.
![20240305_234109.jpg 20240305_234109.jpg](https://forum.birdcats.com/data/attachments/4/4293-9e3a7bcff093aa657794c4e080229f15.jpg)
The pump fits neatly into the cavity below your knees. I assembled my own harness because the ones at the junkyard were all way too long. I had the idea to install the switch on the center console in place of the old ill-placed O/D switch (which is currently a non-functional button), but that would have required way more wiring work, and the look would not have had a factory vibe.
![20240306_100154.jpg 20240306_100154.jpg](https://forum.birdcats.com/data/attachments/4/4294-a6943d42eb9349c0c88e694daa213643.jpg)
The result is fantastic! Lower back support is far better. Judging from just a short 20-mile drive, I think I'll find myself playing with it because I like the feeling of continuous slight changes to my seating position.
This is fully deflated:
![VideoCapture_20240306-132954.jpg VideoCapture_20240306-132954.jpg](https://forum.birdcats.com/data/attachments/4/4295-cc54a4dbde1998c75fb742f956b3ff4f.jpg)
And this is fully inflated:
![VideoCapture_20240306-132945.jpg VideoCapture_20240306-132945.jpg](https://forum.birdcats.com/data/attachments/4/4296-19e708784918939f147b8977313d9581.jpg)
From what I can tell, Ford employed three different types of power lumbar systems over the years.
- Air bladder with electric pump and mechanical release valve (inside switch)
Examples: MN12, earlier Panthers - Air bladder with electric pump and electric release valve
Examples: later Panthers; late model Lincolns - Mechanical support with electric motor
Examples: 97/98 Mark VIII, some Town Cars, 95-02 Continental
Pictured below on the left is our base seat back support (using springs). On the right is the canvas lumbar bladder (using hooks).
![20240305_170906.jpg 20240305_170906.jpg](https://forum.birdcats.com/data/attachments/4/4290-a53c3315e4a95b46634de2473b4b324c.jpg)
I decided to combine both elements together, separated by a thin sheet of foam.
![20240305_171214.jpg 20240305_171214.jpg](https://forum.birdcats.com/data/attachments/4/4291-3dbcfcbb7509c327d50685a92e749c8b.jpg)
Then I installed it using the springs. (Not pictured is foam added inside the seat frame behind the back support, to protect the installation from the somewhat sharp metal.)
![20240305_172729.jpg 20240305_172729.jpg](https://forum.birdcats.com/data/attachments/4/4292-569b2afca77d496e9c4d055c21fec11c.jpg)
Now comes a bit of plumbing. I didn't pick up enough of the black tubing so I had to improvise with some clear tubing I had at home.
I selected the pump with electric release valve, so it's not a true factory MN12 retrofit. As I mentioned in the ...today thread, the release valve causes some odd speaker interference. I suppose it's harmless, but as always, proceed at your own risk.
![20240305_234109.jpg 20240305_234109.jpg](https://forum.birdcats.com/data/attachments/4/4293-9e3a7bcff093aa657794c4e080229f15.jpg)
The pump fits neatly into the cavity below your knees. I assembled my own harness because the ones at the junkyard were all way too long. I had the idea to install the switch on the center console in place of the old ill-placed O/D switch (which is currently a non-functional button), but that would have required way more wiring work, and the look would not have had a factory vibe.
![20240306_100154.jpg 20240306_100154.jpg](https://forum.birdcats.com/data/attachments/4/4294-a6943d42eb9349c0c88e694daa213643.jpg)
The result is fantastic! Lower back support is far better. Judging from just a short 20-mile drive, I think I'll find myself playing with it because I like the feeling of continuous slight changes to my seating position.
This is fully deflated:
![VideoCapture_20240306-132954.jpg VideoCapture_20240306-132954.jpg](https://forum.birdcats.com/data/attachments/4/4295-cc54a4dbde1998c75fb742f956b3ff4f.jpg)
And this is fully inflated:
![VideoCapture_20240306-132945.jpg VideoCapture_20240306-132945.jpg](https://forum.birdcats.com/data/attachments/4/4296-19e708784918939f147b8977313d9581.jpg)
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