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The thing about gauges is that you often don't need them until something isn't right. Otherwise, I kind of don't want them there until I do, but when I do, there's about a half-dozen different gauges I want visibility of, not just 2-3.

In other words, when the time comes, I think I'll go with AeroForce gauges so I don't run out of physical real estate in the stock '97 ashtray location. Two single-property gauges won't cut it, and additional steering column and/or dual A-pillar mounts don't look great to me either.

I treated them largely as a tool. At the time I wanted to see the actual oil pressure since I had just installed a new pump when I put the cams in, water temp was more of a band aid fix since the factory one has been really erratic. Now that they’ve served their purpose I'm ready to put them away like I would a wrench.

I’m currently pondering whether or not the autometer sending units would work with the stock cluster gauges. I could make an extension harness off the cluster to run to the harness I made for the autometers and basically plug/unplug if I felt the need to stick say the oil pressure gauge back in on the fly
 
Access the wires for the gages you want to use.
Make a voltage source from a 9v battery, and a 1k potentiometer. + and - across the end terminals, the middle terminal varies from 0-9v. Write down how much voltage
it takes to read what you want. Then map the sender to the gage with resistors.
It gets complicated if you need gain,lol. Voltage divider formula is what you use, to make the sender voltage match what you want.

I've considered adding a small dash mounted monitor to my datalogging pc, for gages; there are analog inputs on the xcal2. I use 1 for my wideband.
 
Access the wires for the gages you want to use.
Make a voltage source from a 9v battery, and a 1k potentiometer. + and - across the end terminals, the middle terminal varies from 0-9v. Write down how much voltage
it takes to read what you want. Then map the sender to the gage with resistors.
It gets complicated if you need gain,lol. Voltage divider formula is what you use, to make the sender voltage match what you want.

I've considered adding a small dash mounted monitor to my datalogging pc, for gages; there are analog inputs on the xcal2. I use 1 for my wideband.

I could do that, or just send it and be satisfied if they point within anywhere in the \___NORM___/ range lol
 
The prob you run into is "current fed vs voltage fed. Easy ex. the oil pressure ga. The switch connects a 20 ohm resistor to the meter, with a voltage on the other terminal. The variation seen in the gage is a variation in the reference. The oil pressure switch just closes.
Aftermarket gages have better circuitry.
The gas gage reads a variable voltage. Figuring out what the gage wants is the hard part.
I've known engineers who spent a lot of cash to measure something that a simple green or red led would have worked. Dude measured the outer bearing race of a machine we built. Fully instrumented, it provided great info showing how it overheated, melted, and dropped 1000 lbs of delicate detectors on the floor, at speed, lol.
A red led with a" turn me off!" label would have been more valuable than "675.2 degrees C."
I'd go for it. If something is too high, adding an inline resistor, <500 ohms or so, should drop it.
 
The prob you run into is "current fed vs voltage fed. Easy ex. the oil pressure ga. The switch connects a 20 ohm resistor to the meter, with a voltage on the other terminal. The variation seen in the gage is a variation in the reference. The oil pressure switch just closes.
Aftermarket gages have better circuitry.
The gas gage reads a variable voltage. Figuring out what the gage wants is the hard part.
I've known engineers who spent a lot of cash to measure something that a simple green or red led would have worked. Dude measured the outer bearing race of a machine we built. Fully instrumented, it provided great info showing how it overheated, melted, and dropped 1000 lbs of delicate detectors on the floor, at speed, lol.
A red led with a" turn me off!" label would have been more valuable than "675.2 degrees C."
I'd go for it. If something is too high, adding an inline resistor, <500 ohms or so, should drop it.

I understand how they work, but there’s a chance the senders are close enough in their resistance ranges where it’s worth just sending(no pun intended) them. Worse case scenario they either peg the gauges or read super low. Based on my casual observations though there’s not much different internally bwtween the gauge cores, autometer electric gauges “park” to zero when they’re depowered where the OEM ones stay where they last read, but they fundamentally operate the same
 
Car gages are designed to last, and be cheap, so no return spring. They are useless for seeing a gradual drop. You'll hit a bump, and then it drops. Something I always wanted to do is make a schematic of the electronics on the cluster, make it adjustable, and put real gages in the og cluster. probably have to use better senders in some spots.
In my cubby area, I'm putting a usb port, a wideband, and an ammeter for the batt. (+-100A)

As I was getting ready to post this, it occurs to me that I have an Infocenter, sitting, waiting to be installed.
it has a vfd that shows multiple things, including a Fuel pressure sensor at the rail.
It's all pic based. It would be really cool to get Scott to make another batch, but the eec connectors were $1500. Each unit. They sold for $600. I bought it 3rd hand for 200.
 
I’ve got a 3500 dirty dog TC and don’t like it. Prefer the stock stall for sure.


I’ve got a new infocenter myself and all the parts for install. Never got around to it. I wonder if you could 3D print the connector these days. And a touch screen for the outputs lol.

I also have a full set of all JL braces. OG stuff. Never installed. May do that sometime. I loved them on my black bird.

I’m just happy to have found my quarter horse and old XP laptop since we moved….been looking for that damn box for months.
 
3500 is a drag race stall level. max torque multiplication happens there. It lets the engine get to the powerband before it moves much.
That high, the stock intake will limit a 4.6; 3500-4200 rpm is a narrow operating range.
Then there's the dirtydog problem... looks like the old place scrubbed our threads, or it was a mod thread.
 
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Interesting. Could you elaborate?
I imagine it revs up too high under moderate throttle in day to day driving (?).

I never lived with one but that’s my impression from cars I’ve experienced with them. It’s like slipping a clutch to the stall RPM. Excellent for drag racing but I’d never want to deal with that on a street car. The factory 11” converter is perfect for a fun street car if your not taking it to the track all the time
 
The high stall was installed by PO for 1/4 miles runs. He gave up on the project halfway thru and I bought it to finish the build for my son as a high school dailey driver. Didn’t have the ability to redo TC back then. Now it’s a project car for me.

It can feel sluggish in traffic. Lots a throttle needed to feel power. Just not crisp. I worked the tune over pretty hard to compensate for it as best I could. Trial and error mostly. My last tune I took all the slip out and fear I either broke a Ujoint or something in the tailshaft. It clunks loudly just behind the console on a hard 1=2 shift when it last ran.

When I get the suspension finished and get it back on the road, that’s my next troubleshooting. I think the rear main s leaking from sitting so much, but I just don’t know if I have the skill and tools to pull the trans to fix the seal and swap ghe TC.
 
The problem with more stall is that, as with many things, there's a right way to get more and a wrong way. There's a compromise too.

With a converter of a given size (e.g. 12", 11.25", 10.5", 9.25" etc.) there's a sort of "stall butter zone" or range of stall speeds that can be obtained by varying the design of the impeller, pump and stator. Stall speed (range) and converter size are inversely proportional - that is to say a larger converter will have a lower range of obtainable stall speeds.

The problem is that early on, many converter manufacturers weren't making converters using their own designs or parts - they would simply assemble the converters using parts from other companies. There were some who would, for example, buy an off-the-shelf Ford 11.25" converter, cut it open and tweak the insides a bit to increase the stall then turn around and sell it as a 2800 or 3000 stall converter for 5x what it cost them to buy. But it would be a completely different animal compared to a 10.5" 3000 stall converter on the street. Even with the larger diameter, it would have a much more "sluggish" feel to it because its stall was raised to the upper limit of what the size could physically support.

The problem with doing that is not so much that the stall itself isn't as advertised, but comes more from the fact that when you raise the stall of a given converter size close to its upper limit, you also reduce the torque multiplication coefficient (K-factor, as Ford calls it) and lose the low-RPM torque transfer function. At low speeds the fluid just cavitates and doesn't really transfer any torque. You need to spin it much faster to get any action through it.

The fix to that is to get a converter that's properly sized for the stall speed. When you reduce the size of the converter, without changing the design of the insides, the stall naturally increases but you don't change the torque multiplication coefficient as dramatically. That means that at 7 or 800 RPM, you still get enough torque through the converter to cause the car to roll forward, or keep it from rolling backwards down hills when you take your foot of the brake. 12" converters are happiest to stall around 1600-1800. 11.25s are happy around 2400. 10.5s seem to be happy around 3200, and the 9s are up around 3800 or more. When you properly shrink the converter to get more stall, you don't lose the "creep factor" as much.

All that doesn't mean there's no difference in how the car feels. It absolutely feels "looser" when the converter is unlocked, but a properly designed and sized converter will definitely not simply spin up to the stall speed before the car starts moving. In my case, most of the time the engine will spin up to about 2000 then eventually get to around 2500 RPM before it shifts as I drive normally and keep up with traffic. To improve the feel at speed I also lock the converter once in 2nd gear and above about 12 MPH. :)

This is the tug-of-war that's played when selecting a converter for any kind of build. Higher stall lets you get the car into the powerband right away, regardless of the speed of the vehicle, but most people don't drive their cars on the streets the way they would at the track. There's that often overlooked or undiscussed gray area of "what happens when you're driving in town with a 4200 stall converter?". This is why I went with a relatively large diameter, modestly-spec'd converter; I own my car to drive it (on the streets), not race it.
 
I'm really happy with the marauder converter in the tbird; the 2 dirtydog converters are his version; 1 is full of crud from the tbird 127.5mpg prob and needs cleaned. The other is in the red cougar. It's never ran yet. It has a pi engine swap.
 

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