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SnowyOwl

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Hi folks, newbie posting here! Bought myself a T-Bird about three months ago. It is my first Thunderbird, and the same time it's the first American car I've ever owned. This is noteworthy since I'm posting from northern Europe, and you don't see too many American cars around here (especially cars of this age, older ones you'll spot more often in the summertime).

Attached is a photo from two months back, just before the first snow. In the background you can see my Fiesta, somewhat of a different type of an automobile :)

So the car is a year 1994 model, 4.6 engine, first exported to Netherlands, and from there to Finland around 2014, IIRC. It seems to be in an almost full stock condition, only sign of "modding" is some aftermarket anti-theft system which still blinks a LED but doesn't seem to do much else. Bought it from an elder who had lost their driving license. Deducing from all the scratches and dents, his license was perhaps revoked a bit too late, but all the exterior imperfections made it affordable to buy.

I've collected a small list of to-do's with it:
- Starter fails to engage on cold
- Engine stalls if pushing the pedal (or even just engaging the gear) on cold
- Power door locks not working
- Radio is not working
- Something worn out on driver door probably, since shutting it sounds like shutting a tractor door
- Power windows not working too well
- Headlamps performance is the worst I've yet witnessed in my life
- Odometer not working
- Rust in many places, including front shock absorber mounting points
- Lots of dents, scratches, and sun-burnt paint coat

It also had some great TC shudder, but that got pretty much fixed with transmission fluid change. The only problem with the transmission seems to be delayed 3-4 shift, which I'm not entirely sure if it's just a feature with an all-stock 4R70W. Odometer shows 69k miles on it, though in reality it's probably around 70-75k miles driven.

I'm very much impressed with the amount of information and community available for these cars, the 4.6 modular engine and the 4R70W transmission. I mean, for example, you can easily find rebuild guides and videos for the transmission - that is the sort of dedication that you won't find for pretty much any Euro car. Not to mention all the information dedicated to these very Thunderbirds, available on this site and the old TCCOA forums. For all the problems I listed above, only the radio/stereo issue is something that no-one else appears to have encountered :D

I've really enjoyed the smooth ride of this car, though during countryside wintertime, the RWD equipped with winter tires baked in 2006 is sometimes a difficult combination. Having a sack of sand in the trunk helps a bit, and maybe new set of tires would as well..

What is of more PITA is the availability of spare parts around here. I mean plenty of parts appear still very well available in the US, but e.g. for the odometer gears from the LA speedometer gear shop, the shipping cost is a rather salty $38.00. And going to a local junkyard for pulling off any parts isn't much viable either, since these cars just don't exist here. What makes me lucky is that my local parts store is specializing in American cars, being only one of the few stores doing that in this country. I was able to find basic oil filters etc. from their shelves, with almost reasonable prices as well, although their catalog is mostly for cars from before the 90s.

A fun detail for the end: The Finnish nickname for my Thunderbird is "Tunturipöllö". It's easier to pronounce than Thunderbird in case Finnish happens to be your first language. Tunturipöllö translates to Snowy Owl (Bubo scandiacus), hence my username here as well.

Cheers,
- Tatu
 

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Welcome! I had a 94 Cougar in that color many years ago, I most certainly have a soft spot for it. Sounds like it made it to the right hands. :thumbsup:

Keep us up-to-date on your restoration journey, and feel free to ask questions. :)
 
Welcome to the club!
Lovely blue Thunderbird (snowy owl) you have there.
With the electronic issues you mentioned I would check your grounds.
Glad to see your American cars there in Finland I am sure that is a rarity.
Cheers!
 
Thanks for the warm welcome :) I hope my restoration journey accelerates a bit once the snowing season ends, though this is good time for sourcing parts and finding information.

Glad to see your American cars there in Finland I am sure that is a rarity.
Yeah I remember seeing two MN12 Thunderbirds during the last ~10 years here (in addition to mine), so a "rarity" indeed!
I'm curious, do you have amber rear turn signals? Or red? I see you have the European front fender mounted turn signals.
Good point, I didn't realize that there might be some European-style mods done. The rear turn signals are red, here's a rear view photo (exposing the legacy from the previous owner as well): 1737916055419.png
Here you can also see the rear fog light btw, I think that's a mandatory euro mod as well.
 
Welcome! Love that color.

Clean the MAF
Drop a can of SeaFoam in the gas tank to clean the injectors
The door squeak is from failed bushings. You either have to replace the bushings or the hinge.
For the power windows either replace the motor or the gears. The gears are prone to disintegrate over time.
You can get Odometer gears from this site. ... Not sure about their overseas shipping prices.


We used to have a How To replace them articles for both of these items somewhere. I'll have look for them.
 
Thx a lot for the tips @Trunk Monkey , I think I've seen some of the articles around here + tccoa too.

For the doors I already have a pair of Dorman 703270 bushings, got them from my local store. Queued on the work backlog. For the power windows I remember reading an article which discussed them, I think it mentioned replacing some plastic parts with metal substitutes instead. Can't remember for sure though.

For the odometer gears, I can see that Dorman also has item number 926322. I wonder if their quality is any decent?

AFAIK my local dealer makes 3-4 trips to the US per year, they fill a container with all sorts of parts, and ship it to Finland. I might be able to ask them to deliver certain easy-to-obtain parts. Since they already have some dorman products listed, I believe they can find some more too.
 
SnowyOwl, welcome! :)

Like others have said, that's a great color! Any pictures of the rust you mentioned? The delayed 3-4 shifting could be a bad MLPS. Keep us updated on your progress.

Joe
 
As far as transmission problems, the 94-95 is both the worst and hardest to fix. are there crown victoria or gran marquis in junkyards there? They were police cars or taxis here; but the swap is more involved with a 94. Slow 3-4 is likely to get worse. A shop that could rebuild it would be good to find, as shippin one would be very expensive. Mustangs are also good sources for parts
Welcome to the club!
 
Like others have said, that's a great color! Any pictures of the rust you mentioned? The delayed 3-4 shifting could be a bad MLPS. Keep us updated on your progress.
I don't have any pictures on hand, but the major rusty areas are the front suspension mount points under the hood, and on the very bottom or lower pane of the driver's door. The underside of the car is in an OK shape, it seems the previous owner had some rust-protection treatment applied there. The suspension mounts rust is strange, I've never witnessed it before, especially since it doesn't seem to be thoroughly rusted yet. Gotta check the MLPS, thx for the tip!

As far as transmission problems, the 94-95 is both the worst and hardest to fix. are there crown victoria or gran marquis in junkyards there? They were police cars or taxis here; but the swap is more involved with a 94. Slow 3-4 is likely to get worse. A shop that could rebuild it would be good to find, as shippin one would be very expensive. Mustangs are also good sources for parts
Welcome to the club!
Yeah I've gotten the understanding that 2002+ transmission would be a great swap. Unfortunately all the fleet cars here are european made, so barely any crown vics or grand marquis around on the junkyards. The few ones which have been imported are owned by enthusiasts who tend to take care of their cars, so that the won't end up in the junkyards any time soon :)

Mustangs exist in bit higher numbers here, but they have pretty much the same "issue", you can only find well-kept ones, and not so many of those which could be scavenged for parts. So finding a proper transmission from the local junkyard is not much of an option, sadly.

I've done some research on the 4R70W's and their rebuilds. Based on what I've read, it might be one of the nicest model to start one's journey on the world of transmission rebuilds. Considering the lack of junkyard finds around here, is it possible or any viable to try rebuilding a 1994 transmission, assuming enough time and dedication is applied? Does it have some critical impossible-to-fix solutions that would be fixed/fixable in later models only? I'm not planning to make a race car out of my Thunderbird, rather a comfortable summer Sunday car.
 
You can get the parts to bring a 94 up to J-spec if you get a valve body from a 99+ and some other later model parts (e.g. pan, accumulators, mechanical diode (reverse drum) etc.). The main benefit to an 03 is the hardened gearset, but unless you're planning to mod and lay down serious power you don't need to go through the effort to replace all the guts. Given the logistics it's probably easier than trying to find and refreshing a trans with all those parts already in it.
 
Welcome!
For the window motors, 3 11mm nuts will take the place of the plastic pucks in the motor, and you’ll never have to worry about it again. Plus that might be easier to source!

For the stalling issue, there is a vacuum elbow at the back of the intake manifold on the 94/95s that dries out and cracks and will leak, usually more-so when cold, and that is probably the culprit for that issue, assuming it doesn’t have other driveability issues.
 
Seal installers are light, and possibly easy to ship, rebuilt with a later vb and updated direct shaft seals would last a long time.
I can guide you on what to buy. I've broken so many, I had to learn to rebuild them. :)
If someone local brings over a container, possibly we might be able to help you get a trans and tc shipped.
An 02 isn't a straight swap on a 94, as your eec expects different solenoids. so either new old style, or swapping in yours is required. Having yours rebuilt is going to be the least expensive by far.
The best rebuild guide is here:
https://www.explorerforum.com/forums/threads/4r70w-transmission-rebuild-diary.128800/
 
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Thanks for all the advice!! Nice to see such a lively and open community here :)

I can guide you on what to buy. I've broken so many, I had to learn to rebuild them. :)
If someone local brings over a container, possibly we might be able to help you get a trans and tc shipped.
An 02 isn't a straight swap on a 94, as your eec expects different solenoids. so either new old style, or swapping in yours is required. Having yours rebuilt is going to be the least expensive by far.
Not a bad idea to have the trans shipped that way, I'll consider it! At the same time much I'm intrigued to the idea of tearing down the original transmission too, learning how it works and fixing where it fails, in case it's not a complete fool's errand. I'll start a separate thread (or two) once I've studied enough to make up my mind!

Talking about fixing parts instead of just swapping them, I was quite impressed when I ordered the service manual, EVTM and user handbook for my Thunderbird. (Amazing enough they were available unused, factory sealed from Ebay). Opening a random page from the service manual for the first time, I found the exploded view of the starter motor. Gotta say, THAT'S the spirit! Unfortunately I had just replaced my starter motor with a new one, had to change it in the seller's front yard in order to be able to drive the car home, so fixing it wasn't an option this time :D

I wonder how many modern-day service manuals offer you with this detailed knowledge? Not too many I would guess, at least not the PDF service manual I bought for my Fiesta.
 
We live in a day where manufacturing is optimized for quick assembly. The cost of labor to repair a part that wasn't designed to be (easily) serviced is so high, that replacing with new is usually cheaper than the cost of the labor + components required to repair the failed part. Consider modern laptops or cell phones... :(
 
Welcome! Great looking Thunderbird!
 
Amazon and ebay have a lot of hard to find parts; I recently broke a connector on one of my laptops, due to my clumsiness since my stroke. I'll get a new connector, or a better laptop. I've repaired stuff since I was a kid; I fixed my first tv in the 70's, by taking the tubes out, and taking them to the tv shop nearby, and using their tester. They charged a dollar to use it, and the bad tube was 2 dollars. Mowing a yard was 2 dollars, and coke bottles brought in 5 cents,lol. My tv was an old one b&w, that was sitting in my room forever. It had a remote that only went up, either channels or volume. The remote was laying inside when I took it apart.
 
I'm an advocate for fixing, over replacing. There is no reason not to fix your trans, other than some changed passages in the case. But other than one situation, yours will work well rebuilt.The thing that's different is using the manual shifter to shift to 2nd at 70. a 94 can break immediately, where an 02 is fine.
 

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