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- '95 Thunderbird with '18 TF 5.3L - SVO Engine
He's totally the type to think it is a mustang.
Or a 64 ThunderbirdI could get on board with that but if it's bigger than a mustang we'd end up with a 4500# barge (some call them challengers)
FTFYIf they do make a Thunderbird EV, they could call it a Mock T - Bird.
It sure will be something to see what car owners are in for in 10 years when all the electronic stuff starts being a problem.Ford should do it like they've always done it with the successful relationship between the Bird & Mark series.
Start with building a well-done Mark IX coupe with a V8, like they did with the Mark VIII.
Then build the new Bird design off of that, but throttled back on the Lincoln excesses to reduce cost and simplify the car.
Just a good, solid V8 luxury sports coupe that's stylish, comfy, affordable, and has good performance...without the mistakes of the overpriced $40K+ Retro Bird. It doesn't have to be a sledgehammer going after the Vette (that's the Mustang's job)...just an affordable & powerful mallet that looks great, doesn't have all the electronics/digital BS, and isn't going to embarrass you when you step into it.
Part of what made the MN12 so good & long-lasting was its great design, simplicity, and economic servicing/maintenance. Cars need to go back to that, because all of the electronics, digital stuff, and connectivity that they're stuffing into cars today are sending the prices higher, isn't reliable long-term, and will be a high-cost maintenance nightmare beyond 5-years. Even with scarcer & scarcer parts availability, our old Birds are still rolling and looking great 30+ years later for a reason.
Wake up, dude. There is no money in further development of "fatass V8s".Give it a fatass V8 and let them have an arms race with corvette, and blatantly say they're challenging it again. Hopefully win this time.
The Pickup trucks are the only vehicles that US automakers sell at a profit and the Lightning is a flop, V8s aren't going anywhere. They may well be hybridized going forward to meet draconian CAFE targets but the V8 is not a dead concept.Wake up, dude. There is no money in further development of "fatass V8s".
Corvette went mid-engine and is now heavily competing with Porsche for the "old man buys a sports car market". What else will an older guy with money consider buying if their backs can handle it?
Within the next 5 years you'll see the last gas pony cars: Mustang is going all out with the GTD and their last gen Mustang, the Camaro is already dead, and Dodge will end the Challenger production by EOY 2023.
Dodge is already out the door with their Challenger EV in 2024.
Ford chose to make a crossover... but could repackage the platform as a Mustang or a Tbird.
Chevy's Camaro might go the crossover route OR stick with a traditional car by 2026. I think they'll follow the money and you'll see a Mustang MachE competitor.
P.S. I actually like the render in the article but I think Ford will cheap out too much on the car to make it compelling. I was not impressed with how cheap the last gen mustang felt inside after having it for a week as a rental last year.
They made Mustang a brand and added the machE to meet epa standards. Without a 100 mile per gallon equivalent averaged into the Mustang mix ford wouldn’t meet the 40mpg epa rating for I think 2024 or 2025 model year. So without it you’d see mustangs go the way of the Camaro challenger and charger. Into thin air.I never understood why they did it to the mustang and not the already iconic thunderbird. Musk type advertising I guess, just annoy people so that people advertise it for you inadvertedly
But from what I've heard through the grapevine the Charger "EV" concept we saw last year, the that makes the fake "vroom vroom" noises, isn't going to be a strict EV for production, it's is going to be available in 2 door (effectively filling the challenger role) or 4 door with traditional V8 gas engines and with the EV as a top line option. Hellcat prospects seem low but I don't care about those kinds of numbers in a street car anyway.
Man, that thing is hideous. I certainly don't see a Thunderbird there, of any stripe. I can't tell if it's a 2-seater or 4-seater, though it seems like it would be cramped with 4/5 people in there. It's hard to tell if that's the front or rear, feels very Porsche 914.
Holy shit, did Dodge finally figure out what a true Charger (mostly) looks like? 2 doors?!? Not 4, but 2?!? Thank Odin, better late than never. That is literally the first EV I've seen that I would actually want to own. The bits that I don't like (the goofy open nose gaps) aren't enough to make me hate it. It looks like they were smart enough to include an actual dashboard (in front of the driver) and not just a tablet glued to the center console area. When I look at that thing I see the car they say it is, unlike that mock Thunderbird EV.
In principle I hate the PA engine noises but, after having been snuck up by a few EVs because I couldn't even hear them approaching, I think it's cool as a safety feature. I'm sure it will help those people who don't realize how fast (or slow!) they're driving because they don't hear anything. I would just hope that there's the option to add different sounds from different years of Chargers with different engines. Including ones it never had like the 340. I would want an option on that hatchback that would put in the correct design Charger rear window (not fastback) with the flying buttresses. Maybe some 3rd party can make a replacement hatch? Too much to hope for, I bet.
What voltage are electric cars?
How much range does that deplete? lol