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massacre said:
So a single-cam OHV v6 engine has more in common with 99-04 Cobra than the MarkVIII?
Not sure if i agree but hey it's all good.
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What V6? I didn’t even mention the specifics of what influenced it the most(as I am not THAT knowledgeable to pinpoint it) I’m saying the modular V8 has more in common with foreign engines than it does Ford’s 60s “cammers” which I do absolutely know are much different animals in their engineering. For one thing the 427 SOHC is a true HEMI combustion chamber with opposed valves and the 4.6 SOHC is a traditional wedge motor with traditional inline valves like most pushrod V8s

Obviously the Mark VIII was the first user of the DOHC but neither the MN12 or FN10 were the first users of the modular V8, that credit goes to the panther, and realistically the 4V and 2V aren’t actually all that different; geometry wise the SOHC cam becomes the exhaust cam and the now bespoke intake cam is moved inboard using a secondary chain,using exactly the same valvetrain geometry and components as the SOHC .

I’m not trying to downplay the point you’re making which is valid but it’s not really something our cars pioneered as much as something they received to enhance them, just as much as the 95 Continental did which also got the DOHC before any Mustang did. The Roots Supercharger otoh was developed right there with the platform, it’s truly rooted(no pun intended) in our cars where overhead cams were simply where most of the automotive industry was headed anyway. I mean lets not forget the first domestic *mass production” V8 with dual overhead cams was the 89 ZR1 Vette, and abroad it was much less exotic. The 89 Lexus LS400 DOHC V8 is not that far removed from the 4.6 DOHC 4 years before the 4.6 DOHC existed. Nor the Cadillac Northstar for that matter which was remarkably similar to the modular in all ways but reliability(and it wasn’t in any way the overhead cams that made it unreliable).
 
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Side note from a former Continental owner: kind of a pity that no proper name was ever established for the engine. Technically it was called the "InTech", which was also part of the badging on the trunk lid, but that name never caught on like Northstar did.

I didn't do any work on that car back then. If I owned it today, I wouldn't know where to start. The engine compartment was entirely filled with engine.
 
I saw a sohc 427 engine in the 70's, idk where he got it, but the front cam tower was broken off. He tried everything to fix it, but it would just break again. Dude that had it was the guy that built the 289's for my dad's racecar in the 60's. They were a true hemi.
I remember seeing roots type blowers in the 60's; I saw several explode, blowing air thru a set of carbs is problematic at best.
edit: Intek is the lincoln name for the teksid block motors.
 
1997ThunderbirdLXV6 said:
Side note from a former Continental owner: kind of a pity that no proper name was ever established for the engine. Technically it was called the "InTech", which was also part of the badging on the trunk lid, but that name never caught on like Northstar did.

I didn't do any work on that car back then. If I owned it today, I wouldn't know where to start. The engine compartment was entirely filled with engine.
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For the best, Northstar caught on for notoriety. The predecessor was called the “High Technology 4100” but nobody remembers that because it really wasn’t terrible, just slow and unremarkable.

I could be misremembering but I think the last time Ford called the DOHC the Intech was in the Marauder during the press releases, and as a teen reading them at the time it was just so obvious they’re trying to split hairs. Ford engines were Ford engines, always were, always have been. GM was the only corporation that truly had division specific engines back in the old days the whole InTech thing just seemed cheesy… Plus it reminded me of InGen in the crappy Jurassic Park sequels, just a sterile 90s corporate boardroom sounding nickname… yuck. “Cobra motor” has always been the DOHCs informal nickname and thank god for that IMO even if it’s not entirely accurate. It’s more Ford like given their past history of using “Thunderbird 390” in Ford Galaxies.
 

Teksid - Wikipedia

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InTech" Marketing Term:
The name "InTech" was used by Lincoln as a marketing term for the 4-valve DOHC 4.6L engine.

Wikipedia mentions the 99 upgrade, but not wap.
 
And now there's coyotes, Godzillas and predators. The naming things goes around every now and then between manufacturers.
 
InTech was also the branding used for Ford Australia's SOHC I6 engines. The Barra was the DOHC I6.
 
XR7-4.6 said:
What V6? I didn’t even mention the specifics of what influenced it the most(as I am not THAT knowledgeable to pinpoint it) I’m saying the modular V8 has more in common with foreign engines than it does Ford’s 60s “cammers” which I do absolutely know are much different animals in their engineering. For one thing the 427 SOHC is a true HEMI combustion chamber with opposed valves and the 4.6 SOHC is a traditional wedge motor with traditional inline valves like most pushrod V8s

Obviously the Mark VIII was the first user of the DOHC but neither the MN12 or FN10 were the first users of the modular V8, that credit goes to the panther, and realistically the 4V and 2V aren’t actually all that different; geometry wise the SOHC cam becomes the exhaust cam and the now bespoke intake cam is moved inboard using a secondary chain,using exactly the same valvetrain geometry and components as the SOHC .

I’m not trying to downplay the point you’re making which is valid but it’s not really something our cars pioneered as much as something they received to enhance them, just as much as the 95 Continental did which also got the DOHC before any Mustang did. The Roots Supercharger otoh was developed right there with the platform, it’s truly rooted(no pun intended) in our cars where overhead cams were simply where most of the automotive industry was headed anyway. I mean lets not forget the first domestic *mass production” V8 with dual overhead cams was the 89 ZR1 Vette, and abroad it was much less exotic. The 89 Lexus LS400 DOHC V8 is not that far removed from the 4.6 DOHC 4 years before the 4.6 DOHC existed. Nor the Cadillac Northstar for that matter which was remarkably similar to the modular in all ways but reliability(and it wasn’t in any way the overhead cams that made it unreliable).
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Agree to disagree.
 
XR7-4.6 said:
it’s not really something our cars pioneered as much as something they received to enhance them, just as much as the 95 Continental did which also got the DOHC before any Mustang did. The Roots Supercharger otoh was developed right there with the platform
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To add to that .. the MN12 was never intended to get a V8 engine - the platform was developed around the SC V6 and NA V6 .. however Ford gave in to buyer demand and threw the 5.0 V8 in. Whereas the Marks got one engine option .. the DOHC 4.6L.
 
Grog6 said:
Anyone who has ever changed the oil in an mn12 with a 4.6 knows it was not designed for that motor. Adding the bigger swaybar of the 0157 option makes it damn near impossible.
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The 5.0 was no treat either. And the motor mounts are obviously an afterthought.
 
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