Car show Impressions

[XR7-4.6]

So a single-cam OHV v6 engine has more in common with 99-04 Cobra than the MarkVIII?
Not sure if i agree but hey it's all good.

What V6? I didn’t even mention the specifics of what influenced it the most(as I am not THAT knowledgeable to pinpoint it) I’m saying the modular V8 has more in common with foreign engines than it does Ford’s 60s “cammers” which I do absolutely know are much different animals in their engineering. For one thing the 427 SOHC is a true HEMI combustion chamber with opposed valves and the 4.6 SOHC is a traditional wedge motor with traditional inline valves like most pushrod V8s

Obviously the Mark VIII was the first user of the DOHC but neither the MN12 or FN10 were the first users of the modular V8, that credit goes to the panther, and realistically the 4V and 2V aren’t actually all that different; geometry wise the SOHC cam becomes the exhaust cam and the now bespoke intake cam is moved inboard using a secondary chain,using exactly the same valvetrain geometry and components as the SOHC .

I’m not trying to downplay the point you’re making which is valid but it’s not really something our cars pioneered as much as something they received to enhance them, just as much as the 95 Continental did which also got the DOHC before any Mustang did. The Roots Supercharger otoh was developed right there with the platform, it’s truly rooted(no pun intended) in our cars where overhead cams were simply where most of the automotive industry was headed anyway. I mean lets not forget the first domestic *mass production” V8 with dual overhead cams was the 89 ZR1 Vette, and abroad it was much less exotic. The 89 Lexus LS400 DOHC V8 is not that far removed from the 4.6 DOHC 4 years before the 4.6 DOHC existed. Nor the Cadillac Northstar for that matter which was remarkably similar to the modular in all ways but reliability(and it wasn’t in any way the overhead cams that made it unreliable).

 

[1997ThunderbirdLXV6]

Side note from a former Continental owner: kind of a pity that no proper name was ever established for the engine. Technically it was called the "InTech", which was also part of the badging on the trunk lid, but that name never caught on like Northstar did.

I didn't do any work on that car back then. If I owned it today, I wouldn't know where to start. The engine compartment was entirely filled with engine.

 

[Grog6]

I saw a sohc 427 engine in the 70's, idk where he got it, but the front cam tower was broken off. He tried everything to fix it, but it would just break again. Dude that had it was the guy that built the 289's for my dad's racecar in the 60's. They were a true hemi.
I remember seeing roots type blowers in the 60's; I saw several explode, blowing air thru a set of carbs is problematic at best.
edit: Intek is the lincoln name for the teksid block motors.

 

[XR7-4.6]

Side note from a former Continental owner: kind of a pity that no proper name was ever established for the engine. Technically it was called the "InTech", which was also part of the badging on the trunk lid, but that name never caught on like Northstar did.

I didn't do any work on that car back then. If I owned it today, I wouldn't know where to start. The engine compartment was entirely filled with engine.

For the best, Northstar caught on for notoriety. The predecessor was called the “High Technology 4100” but nobody remembers that because it really wasn’t terrible, just slow and unremarkable.

I could be misremembering but I think the last time Ford called the DOHC the Intech was in the Marauder during the press releases, and as a teen reading them at the time it was just so obvious they’re trying to split hairs. Ford engines were Ford engines, always were, always have been. GM was the only corporation that truly had division specific engines back in the old days the whole InTech thing just seemed cheesy… Plus it reminded me of InGen in the crappy Jurassic Park sequels, just a sterile 90s corporate boardroom sounding nickname… yuck. “Cobra motor” has always been the DOHCs informal nickname and thank god for that IMO even if it’s not entirely accurate. It’s more Ford like given their past history of using “Thunderbird 390” in Ford Galaxies.

 

[Grog6]

Teksid - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

InTech" Marketing Term:
The name "InTech" was used by Lincoln as a marketing term for the 4-valve DOHC 4.6L engine.

Wikipedia mentions the 99 upgrade, but not wap.

 

[Zep5.0]

And now there's coyotes, Godzillas and predators. The naming things goes around every now and then between manufacturers.

 

[Derphound01]

InTech was also the branding used for Ford Australia's SOHC I6 engines. The Barra was the DOHC I6.

 

[massacre]

What V6? I didn’t even mention the specifics of what influenced it the most(as I am not THAT knowledgeable to pinpoint it) I’m saying the modular V8 has more in common with foreign engines than it does Ford’s 60s “cammers” which I do absolutely know are much different animals in their engineering. For one thing the 427 SOHC is a true HEMI combustion chamber with opposed valves and the 4.6 SOHC is a traditional wedge motor with traditional inline valves like most pushrod V8s

Obviously the Mark VIII was the first user of the DOHC but neither the MN12 or FN10 were the first users of the modular V8, that credit goes to the panther, and realistically the 4V and 2V aren’t actually all that different; geometry wise the SOHC cam becomes the exhaust cam and the now bespoke intake cam is moved inboard using a secondary chain,using exactly the same valvetrain geometry and components as the SOHC .

I’m not trying to downplay the point you’re making which is valid but it’s not really something our cars pioneered as much as something they received to enhance them, just as much as the 95 Continental did which also got the DOHC before any Mustang did. The Roots Supercharger otoh was developed right there with the platform, it’s truly rooted(no pun intended) in our cars where overhead cams were simply where most of the automotive industry was headed anyway. I mean lets not forget the first domestic *mass production” V8 with dual overhead cams was the 89 ZR1 Vette, and abroad it was much less exotic. The 89 Lexus LS400 DOHC V8 is not that far removed from the 4.6 DOHC 4 years before the 4.6 DOHC existed. Nor the Cadillac Northstar for that matter which was remarkably similar to the modular in all ways but reliability(and it wasn’t in any way the overhead cams that made it unreliable).

Agree to disagree.

 

[dDUBb]

it’s not really something our cars pioneered as much as something they received to enhance them, just as much as the 95 Continental did which also got the DOHC before any Mustang did. The Roots Supercharger otoh was developed right there with the platform

To add to that .. the MN12 was never intended to get a V8 engine - the platform was developed around the SC V6 and NA V6 .. however Ford gave in to buyer demand and threw the 5.0 V8 in. Whereas the Marks got one engine option .. the DOHC 4.6L.

 

[Grog6]

Anyone who has ever changed the oil in an mn12 with a 4.6 knows it was not designed for that motor. Adding the bigger swaybar of the 0157 option makes it damn near impossible.

 

[Zep5.0]

Anyone who has ever changed the oil in an mn12 with a 4.6 knows it was not designed for that motor. Adding the bigger swaybar of the 0157 option makes it damn near impossible.

The 5.0 was no treat either. And the motor mounts are obviously an afterthought.

 

[theterminator93]

Ford: "It fits!"

Customers: "What #&)(!@# engineer thought this was a good idea!?"

 

[Derphound01]

Ford: "It fits!"

"We can close the hood!"

 

[KevinVarnes]

I love the Coyote as an engineering feat, but the coyote demo is way different than that. They all seem like ex G35/G37/350z/370z owners in attitude and aesthetic tastes. Mustangs weren’t better cars when they were underdogs in the performance world (fox-New Edge era) but the Mustang and Ford culture as a whole was much better. Ironically enough the Camaro is the only model that doesn’t seem quite so tainted with absolute idiots(I’m not even going to verbalize what I think of Challenger/Charger culture)

Was behind some guy in one of the late model Mustangs on my way home last night. I am assuming it was pretty new since it had the slanty forward taillights on it. Guy just could not get enough of the exhaust sound on his car. Any chance he got to kick it down he would. Thankfully he eventually made it through a light that I got stopped at so I didn't have to listen to it anymore.

I've heard some of those with I am assuming aftermarket/custom exhausts that I actually felt bad for that their exhaust sounded so terrible

 

[Irv]

Regarding exhaust sounds (I know I'm further going on a tangent, but new Mustang owners can be just as obnoxious with this as import owners), I'll say nothing more of the burble tunes that are popular these days other than that if I paid for the damn fuel, I'm going to burn it all properly. Get this damn new generation of ricers with crappy exhausts off my lawn.

I'm clearly not into the modern car show scene.

 

[Kidd-7]

Regarding exhaust sounds (I know I'm further going on a tangent, but new Mustang owners can be just as obnoxious with this as import owners), I'll say nothing more of the burble tunes that are popular these days other than that if I paid for the damn fuel, I'm going to burn it all properly. Get this damn new generation of ricers with crappy exhausts off my lawn.

I'm clearly not into the modern car show scene.

Clearly

 

[Kidd-7]

"We can close the hood!"

Without a hole or a zit.

 

[Grog6]

Side note from a former Continental owner: kind of a pity that no proper name was ever established for the engine. Technically it was called the "InTech", which was also part of the badging on the trunk lid, but that name never caught on like Northstar did.

I didn't do any work on that car back then. If I owned it today, I wouldn't know where to start. The engine compartment was entirely filled with engine.

A 99 Conti has C heads, and if you're lucky, xr3e cobra cams. That's where my C heads came from.
A conti is a 4.6, fwd version. If it had a place to put a motor mount, It would be nice to have. They also have an adapter that lets you run b-heads on a c head. but there are no b intakes that clear our hood. For c head intakes that will fit, see Matt's build thread.

 

[dDUBb]

I'll say nothing more of the burble tunes that are popular these days other than that if I paid for the damn fuel, I'm going to burn it all properly.

I think those crappy BMWs with the obnoxious tunes that pop all the way down the street on deceleration are stupid.

But both my SS and my buddys GT350R do the snap crack and pop during decal and between gear shifts on Factory tunes with the Bi modal mufflers in the wide open position. Sometimes my car does a really loud pop when I fire it up also - the muffler actuators default to the wide open position and close at startup if its in touring mode. Sorry, not sorry.

Just wait until I take the cats off my SC ..

Oh yeah and gas is currently $5.40 for 91 octane here.

there are no b intakes that clear our hood.

Mark viii intake ?

 

[XR7-4.6]

The worst part about the pop tunes from BMWs and new ricers who mod German cars(Krauters?) is the pops are way way louder the exhaust, they sound like they’re powered by AK47s.

I completely by accident made a pop tune for my car when I was messing around with dashpot, it snapped crackled and popped every time I let off the gas including between shifts, I absolutely hated it.

A 99 Conti has C heads, and if you're lucky, xr3e cobra cams. That's where my C heads came from.
A conti is a 4.6, fwd version. If it had a place to put a motor mount, It would be nice to have. They also have an adapter that lets you run b-heads on a c head. but there are no b intakes that clear our hood. For c head intakes that will fit, see Matt's build thread.

My intake doesn’t technically clear the hood, I have the K member on 3/4” lowering blocks and have deliberately kept the stock motor mounts installed despite having had NIB rubber ones in the corner of the garage for a decade lol

 

[Irv]

So, as I was driving to dinner this evening, I ended up behind a Charger that sounded like a lawnmower, but it had to have the obnoxious popping too as it approached a red light. The Rice Krispies sound effects are doing nothing to hide your stock V6. FOH.

I'll give anyone who is actually fast all the leeway in the world for all kinds of things that I'd otherwise side-eye, but a Terminator never needed any of that nonsense to make its presence known.

 

[XR7-4.6]

So, as I was driving to dinner this evening, I ended up behind a Charger that sounded like a lawnmower, but it had to have the obnoxious popping too as it approached a red light. The Rice Krispies sound effects are doing nothing to hide your stock V6. FOH.

I'll give anyone who is actually fast all the leeway in the world for all kinds of things that I'd otherwise side-eye, but a Terminator never needed any of that nonsense to make its presence known.

One of the worst I heard was just yesterday, a red Jetta, lowered and cambered with a roof rack(how cliche), I was probably 5-6 car lengths behind it for 2 miles and I wanted to kill it with fire by about 800 feet.

 

[Zep5.0]

"We can close the hood!"

Barely

 

[Kurt K]

But both my SS and my buddys GT350R do the snap crack and pop during decal and between gear shifts on Factory tunes with the Bi modal mufflers in the wide open position. Sometimes my car does a really loud pop when I fire it up also - the muffler actuators default to the wide open position and close at startup if its in touring mode. Sorry, not sorry.

Just wait until I take the cats off my SC ..

Cats definitely help reduce exhaust noise. My 92 with headers, full stainless exhaust with only 3 mufflers (one as resonator) sounds great at idle, but is obnoxiously loud at WOT.

 

[Zep5.0]

Cats definitely help reduce exhaust noise. My 92 with headers, full stainless exhaust with only 3 mufflers (one as resonator) sounds great at idle, but is obnoxiously loud at WOT.

I'm trying to decide what to do. Was thinking about cats just for this reason. Really wish we had room for 3" duals as it mellows the sound tremendously. Thinking I may do the x flow resonator in the middle and round magnaflows in the back.

 

[XR7-4.6]

My current exhaust is 4 cats on a stock 03 Cobra H pipe to the 2.5” mandrel bent pipes with no mufflers, it’s noisy not absolutely not loud…


… that’s imminently changing