Classifieds and Auctions Thread

The report says it spent an indefinite amount of time in new orleans, so any corrosion may have occurred there near the ocean

At any rate, taking interior shots in daylight and exterior shots at sundown is a red flag regardless of mileage
 
1997ThunderbirdLXV6 said:
It's that easy? I mean with a digital odometer, I would have thought the mileage resides somewhere "deeper" in the PCM...
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As far as I can tell it's stored in the PCM, newer cars with PATS marries it to the PCM so its not such a simple swap but I'm not sure 97-98 Marks are setup that way. I had a 03 Mach 1 cluster at one point and it displayed the miles when I powered it up without the PCM, so I doubt the older Mark cluster is any different
 
I think the funniest thing is that even is it's a real 201 mile Lincoln, its just that, a Lincoln, all due respect but no older Lincoln would be worth that much. I know that my thunderbird sure isn't worth that much, its worth more to me as a sentimental piece than it is to anyone else.
 
I feel like the only thing supporting that opinion is parts availability and old safety standards. These platforms have good build quality.

$20,000 is too much yes. If the sticker price is real on that ad, it would be about 70 grand sold today. I would agree you could find a nicer car for 70 grand in today's inventory
 
70 grand in todays money is backed by a bank note. I don’t start judging cars as far as value value until they bottom out in depreciation and don’t have a warranty to cover repair bills. There’s not a 70k car made today that I’d ever pay cash money for without a warranty even if I had cash like that laying around, would you?

And yea yea, obviously the classic collector car market is full of old cars at that price level or more… but they also have reproduction parts support, specialist at mechanical/body work, and decades long knowledgebases to learn from. You gonna get that from a 2021 Mercedes CLS550(or whatever german alphabet soup mix name it is)?
 
I am going to give the benefit of doubt. It very well could be a car someone parked in the barn and just started every so often. I don't know if someone would provide over a hundred pictures if they were trying to pull a fast one. The tires would be hard to fake. The full size spare is odd, but there could very well be the doughnut tire under it. Perhaps in the past almost 30 years they happened upon a full size somewhere. I have 2 extra sport rims that are mint!. The leather does have wear consistent with someone starting the car and sitting in it to charge the engine for years on end. The pictures appear to be on a large farm and I could see some wealthy farmer spending 40K on a Lincoln and just stashing it in a barn with other cars and tractors/ equipments and just having a farm hand keep up the maintenance along with all the other equipment. Also, shouldn't CarFax ect. tell the story, was it registered ect? It is not as easy as it once was to roll back/replace the odometer.
 
Yeah, it's feasible to believe that it was playing its tuxedo role and just driven to significant events. I don't have a suit yet but if I do, it would get less than 200 miles
 
At the end of the day... it's only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. And as always, caveat emptor! The right buyer would be someone who both appreciates and knows what they're looking at, and should be able to determine the truth in the claims of the seller through their own assessments.

I was told my '98 was bought in April of 1998 for $49,000. I got it at 130k for a bit over $3k. 100k later, the interior is in arguably better condition than it was when I bought it and the transmission and suspension are all fresh... but would you buy from me at at the same price I paid for it 7 years ago?
 
Green T said:
I am going to give the benefit of doubt. It very well could be a car someone parked in the barn and just started every so often. I don't know if someone would provide over a hundred pictures if they were trying to pull a fast one. The tires would be hard to fake. The full size spare is odd, but there could very well be the doughnut tire under it. Perhaps in the past almost 30 years they happened upon a full size somewhere. I have 2 extra sport rims that are mint!. The leather does have wear consistent with someone starting the car and sitting in it to charge the engine for years on end. The pictures appear to be on a large farm and I could see some wealthy farmer spending 40K on a Lincoln and just stashing it in a barn with other cars and tractors/ equipments and just having a farm hand keep up the maintenance along with all the other equipment. Also, shouldn't CarFax ect. tell the story, was it registered ect? It is not as easy as it once was to roll back/replace the odometer.
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I mostly agree, the biggest thing with this car is it doesn’t look like a 200 mile car, but that is in large part because 200 mile cars typically are in climate controlled collections or simply never left the dealer showroom. A zero mile car will degrade left to the elements without care through the years/decades and that may well be what this Mark is….


Or they swapped on some cheesy prime aftermarket wheel back in the late 90s drove it a couple thousand miles and swapped on the stock wheels in storage recently to resell it…

Either way the price is stupid.
 
I thought some of the pics were beautiful and would perhaps win the photo of the month if submitted lol.
It is a beautiful car and seems like what a car museum would want. If it is actual miles it makes sense for it to go to a museum where they will trailer it and not add one mile.
I just want to drive the hell out of it!! My test ride would greatly devalue the car though.
 
Green T said:
I thought some of the pics were beautiful and would perhaps win the photo of the month if submitted lol.
It is a beautiful car and seems like what a car museum would want. If it is actual miles it makes sense for it to go to a museum where they will trailer it and not add one mile.
I just want to drive the hell out of it!! My test ride would greatly devalue the car though.
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It is a beautiful car and I agree would make a beautiful car of the month submission… but how many miles are on our cars featured up to this point? 😆

Good photography can go a long way, but I’d really need to see this car in person to really truly judge it. I actually don’t think it’s odo fraud, but I entertain the possibility(30/70). My bigger thing is does it really have the hallmarks of a 200 mile car to merit the premium a 200 car commands? A well kept fair weather garage stored 50,000 mile Mark VIII LSC wouldn’t be much if any different than this one with the lone exception of the odometer reading
 
I don't recall a tbird everhaving swivel seats;that was a gm thing. The steering wheel slid toward the center, in my 63, but the seats no.
 
Grog6 said:
I don't recall a tbird everhaving swivel seats;that was a gm thing. The steering wheel slid toward the center, in my 63, but the seats no.
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Swivel seats seem like a Ford “better idea” like that super safe swingaway column or rim blow steering wheel, but you’re right I think that was a GM collonade thing. My Dad said he had those seats in both of his 70s Cutlasses.
 
XR7-4.6 said:
And yea yea, obviously the classic collector car market is full of old cars at that price level or more… but they also have reproduction parts support, specialist at mechanical/body work, and decades long knowledgebases to learn from. You gonna get that from a 2021 Mercedes CLS550(or whatever german alphabet soup mix name it is)?
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Mercedes is actually pretty good about those things. 😉
 
Fuck both of them. (mercedes and bmw) I lost most of my hearing in a '78 cutlass, with a Craig powerplay 8-track, and jensen 6x9 speakers,lol. Van Halen had just came out, and Ted nugent broke the roof on the coliseum in '79 . I couldn't hear for 3 days after that. ) My mom gave me and a buddy a ride to Rush that year; the front band didn't show, so rush played the std set, the all the world's a stage tour, then played the hemispheres album thru, and it wasn't out yet! Awesome.
 
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