Windows 11 version 24H2

[White Lincoln]

I have a Dell T5810 workstation that has the V3 processor. I would like to upgrade to the latest version of Windows 11, version 24H2, but my processor is not compatible, though more than able to run it. This processor is one of the CPU's that had more than a 51% failure rate when testing Windows 11 and why they won't allow Windows 11 to run on it.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I can upgrade the processor (CPU) to a version 4 processor and I should be safe, as long as the V4 processor works with my motherboard and meets the Microsoft requirements for running Windows 11 v24H2. I have a list of V4 processors that will run on this behemoth of a computer.

Has anyone else, updated just the processor to make the computer compatible with Win 11 v24H2?

 

[Jae 'Bird]

Which chipset is it the motherboard, that will determine compatibility. I have never worked with that workstation but should be an easy upgrade

 

[White Lincoln]

I believe it to be Intel C612.

I was thinking of getting this CPU - Xeon E5-2687W V4

Even though I don't like buying on eBay, I made an offer on a processor for $36. Otherwise, Amazon has one for $70.

 

[KevinVarnes]

Roll of the dice with either place. Just make sure you are actually getting what you think you are getting. I would think a processor would be easy to counterfeit for them based on some of the other fake stuff I've seen for sale.

 

[Jae 'Bird]

Roll of the dice with either place. Just make sure you are actually getting what you think you are getting. I would think a processor would be easy to counterfeit for them based on some of the other fake stuff I've seen for sale.

Thats true, but with these old workstations, there's usually so many kicking around that the processors do go for that cheap on the second hand market and its usually not worth it for that level of processor. A brand new enthusiast processor? yeah people do try to scam with those but less often with workstations

 

[White Lincoln]

Roll of the dice with either place. Just make sure you are actually getting what you think you are getting. I would think a processor would be easy to counterfeit for them based on some of the other fake stuff I've seen for sale.

One reason I don't like buying on eBay is for the exact reason that I have been burned too many times by "what I got was NOT what I ordered". I am expecting the processor to be a V2 or V3, not a V4. Or worse, as you said, it may not even be the correct number for what I bought. And yes, Amazon can be the same with some of the vendors. Sad to say but I have had to return so many items in the last couple of years due to, either it was used (said it was new), it was damaged during shipping (because a computer packed it) or I did not get what I ordered. BUT, the cavoite with Amazon is free returns and Amazon backs me up, unlike eBay, who I have had to fight with to prove the seller out right lied....and I still lost!

Anymore, I just expect the items to be used (returned), missing items, smashed box or worse, a pair of ladies underwear (used) and I ordered a golf club....

 

[Kenz]

These days eBay is very good from a buyer's perspective. The last several years they have been trying to keep up with Amazons level of service for returns. This mostly come at the expense of sellers unfortunately. Anything now can just be marked with a dispute as "not as described" and they will side with the seller and give a full refund. It makes it tough for the honest sellers that make a business off of it

 

[XR7-4.6]

Yeah that’s my experience as well, I BUY from ebay all the time, I rarely buy from Amazon (as I personally think they’re 1/3rd of the reason for the fall of western civilization, but also I’ve found comparable prices from eBay and elsewhere).

Selling’s another story. I’ve never been burned but I know a lot of people personally who have by scummy buyers and their buyer protection policy that I just stopped bothering. Only reason I still have Facebook is for the marketplace which sucks as much as Craigslist did but it’s anarchy like I like and they won’t rat me out to the government when I make more than $600.

 

[Swamprat]

AI answer:
The Dell Precision T5810 is a workstation that was released before Windows 11 was announced, and as such, it's not officially supported by Dell for Windows 11. The main hurdles you'll face are:

Processor Compatibility: The T5810 typically uses Intel Xeon E5-1600 v3/v4 or E5-2600 v3/v4 processors. While some of the v4 (Broadwell-EP) processors might technically meet the core/speed requirements, they are generally not on Microsoft's official list of supported CPUs for Windows 11.
TPM 2.0: The T5810 likely shipped with TPM 1.2. However, Dell does provide a firmware update to upgrade it to TPM 2.0. This is a crucial step if you want to install Windows 11.

UEFI and Secure Boot: The T5810 supports UEFI boot mode and Secure Boot, which are required for Windows 11. These settings can be enabled in the BIOS.

Can you run Windows 11 on it?

Yes, it is often possible, but it will be an unsupported installation. Many users have successfully installed Windows 11 on Dell T5810s by taking the following steps:

Update the BIOS: Ensure your T5810's BIOS is updated to the latest version available from Dell.
Update TPM Firmware: Upgrade your TPM from 1.2 to 2.0 using the Dell TPM 2.0 Firmware Update Utility.
Enable UEFI and Secure Boot: Configure your BIOS to use UEFI boot mode and enable Secure Boot.
Bypass CPU Check (if necessary): Since the CPU is likely unsupported, you might need to use methods to bypass the Windows 11 CPU compatibility check during installation. This often involves creating a modified ISO or using registry tweaks during the setup process.

What are the potential downsides of an unsupported installation?

No Official Support: Microsoft and Dell will not officially support your Windows 11 installation on this hardware. This means if you encounter issues, you might have limited or no support.
Driver Issues: You might experience missing drivers for some components, especially chipset drivers, as Dell may not provide Windows 11 specific drivers for this older model. You might have to rely on Windows 10 drivers or generic drivers, which may not always work perfectly.
Future Updates: While many unsupported installations receive Windows 11 updates initially, there's no guarantee that future major updates will continue to install without further workarounds.
Stability: While many users report good stability, there's a slight risk of unforeseen issues or performance quirks due to the unofficial nature of the installation.

In summary: While the Dell T5810 is not officially supported for Windows 11, it's often possible to install and run it with some configuration changes and potential workarounds for the CPU check. Be aware of the potential for limited support and possible driver challenges. If you need a fully supported Windows 11 experience, a newer workstation would be recommended.

 

[Grog6]

I've bought processors off ebay, with no issues. I upgraded my x58 chipset boards to xeon x5670 processors for $12 each.
That's a ddr4 mobo, so a v4 should work in it. tpm 2.0 is the thing that stops me from trying win 11.

 

[Generalee0527]

I have a similar situation w/ my asus laptop Ryzen 5 and I don't want to buy a new laptop. I have downloaded the win 10 installer as well as the win 11 iso so I am prepared to go unsupported. Probably will bite me in the end but if I get another year I'll be happy. Then again I am liking the thoughts of ReactOS. Maybe when I have more free time.

 

[White Lincoln]

These days eBay is very good from a buyer's perspective. The last several years they have been trying to keep up with Amazons level of service for returns. This mostly come at the expense of sellers unfortunately. Anything now can just be marked with a dispute as "not as described" and they will side with the seller and give a full refund. It makes it tough for the honest sellers that make a business off of it

That is news to me. I quit eBay about 3-4 years ago. So maybe it's better and I hope so. I do understand very much how a small percentage of people can ruin the process for everyone else, and that is on both sides. I truly believe the guy that sold me a "new" still in the box Sony receiver was just collecting the insurance on a "damaged" item when he sent me a, literally dented item, in a cardboard box, not the OEM box, Sony receiver. And it was packaged poorly. It still works as he did not want it back when I filed on eBay. (and no, I did not buy this from Amazon as the tag on the box says).

I did buy a new one from Amazon later and it came in a Sony box. Styrofoam protection and all. I pretty much go to Etsy now when I am looking for something.

 

[White Lincoln]

AI answer:

In summary: While the Dell T5810 is not officially supported for Windows 11, it's often possible to install and run it with some configuration changes and potential workarounds for the CPU check. Be aware of the potential for limited support and possible driver challenges. If you need a fully supported Windows 11 experience, a newer workstation would be recommended.

Thank you for the info Swamprat, though I already have had Win 11 on the machine twice, but this time I noticed the new version, 24H2 is not installing, even when forced. From what I read, I can update the processor to a V4 processer (mine is a V3) as the V3 is what is incompatible. That is what I read...

To install Win 11, I only needed to turn off secure boot and it installed without issue. Then I had to turn it back on to finish the install. I used the Win 10 drivers from Dell for my chipset and a few other items.

The more I look into this, the V4 processors allowed for the motherboard and processer are not listed under Microsoft's accepted processor's list for Windows 11. I would basically be wasting $50 on a processer that may make the machine faster, but still not upgrade to the latest Windows 11.

Rat's, that cursed Microsoft!!!! I did buy my wife a compatible HP that is in Microsoft's list. Of course, the seller on Amazon said the Dell T5810 is Windows 11 compatible.... shows you they did not do their research.

 

[White Lincoln]

Follow up:
I bit the bullet and found some articles on installing the newest version of Windows 11 using PowerShell (or the registry). I used PowerShell to install it after downloading the latest Win 11 version with 24H2. I did make sure that my system would would work with the latest instruction set by running CPU-Z and it showed my system goes up to SSE-4.2

I did learn some more about using Windows 11. I thought my machine would not handle Win 11 because the CPU failed 51% of the time when installing the software, but it turns out it was also due to the generation of the processor. Mine is Gen 5 and I can put a Gen 6 processor in, but they want no less then Gen 8 processor as a minimum.

I will see if my machine crashes on me! LOL

Thanks everyone that participated.

 

[White Lincoln]

Update: I figured I would put the fastest, most power consuming processor in my work station and see what happiness.

I was able to purchase an Intel Xeon E5-2687W v4 @ 3.00GHz processor, pulled mine out, put the new one in and hope and pray it turns on! That is all I wanted it to do.

I have Windows 11 again and the PC Is faster than it was before! WOOT! It is running at a cool 50c and that is without new heat sink material. I plan to put that on shortly.

For what its worth, you can download Speecy from CCleaner for free and watch your temps on your PC and much more.

 

[Jae 'Bird]

Update: I figured I would put the fastest, most power consuming processor in my work station and see what happiness.

I was able to purchase an Intel Xeon E5-2687W v4 @ 3.00GHz processor, pulled mine out, put the new one in and hope and pray it turns on! That is all I wanted it to do.

I have Windows 11 again and the PC Is faster than it was before! WOOT! It is running at a cool 50c and that is without new heat sink material. I plan to put that on shortly.

For what its worth, you can download Speecy from CCleaner for free and watch your temps on your PC and much more.

If I may, I also highly recommend HWMonitor from CPUID. It gives the most detailed temperature and frequency information in real time for everything, even the GPU (integrated or discrete) its free and a really useful tool

 

[White Lincoln]

...and I broke down and got better, faster RAM for my computer. I had 24gb 1064Mhz of ram and am putting in 32gb at 2666Mhz

...if its not one thing....

I guess a newer SSD would be in order. I have two 1Tb drives and plan to mirror them. Last time I had Win 11, the drive crashed at the boot sector and I did not want to mess with blocking sectors to restore it as a bootable drive. So I put it in an external case and bought a new 1Tb drive and put win 10 back on it. I bought another 1Tb for the Win 11 (much easier to install Win 11 on a old PC) and have both in the PC now. Dang, wish I could upgrade the Cougar for this cheap.

Oh wait... most of the stuff I got for the Cougar WAS that cheap...

 

[White Lincoln]

I got the 32gb of RAM in today. The speed is 2666Mhz. The memory I had in the PC was 2133Mhz. I put the 32 in, ran a speed test with Speecy and got 1800Mhz... WTF? For fun I put all the old memory back in the 32 in banks 1,2, 16 in banks 3,4 and the 8's in 5 and 6 (56 total). I got 931Mhz this time. WTF? I know that whatever you put it, the memory will run at the slowest of the lot, but 900? Seriously? I ran the speed test from Task Manager this time and got 1800..... Hmmm.... I pulled the old memory and even pulled the battery out to ensure it reset completely and left the 32 in. I am running 2400Mhz per Task Manager and 1197Mhz with Speecy. I didn't look that hard into the "why" but I suspect it is they type of speed Speecy monitors compared to Task Manager. Something about max speed and average or some thing like that.

Just wanted to let anyone else know that Speecy might freak you out if you use it.

At I was done and left the 32 as the only RAM, I ran a PC test and it told me my CPU sucks, my memory is more than I need for gaming and basically, my computer is POS compared to current ones used for gaming today. I don't do gaming and the PC is technically a server and over 10 years old so STFU...

 

[gunn]

FYI - i went through this process a few months ago, Rufus, the tool to write the Windows Media ISO onto a USB stick, can automatically patch out the Win11 requirements/checks when writing to the USB boot drive.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1kgsvwh/rufus_modifies_windows_11_install_behavior

ISO from here

Download Windows 11

Rufus Tool

Rufus - Create bootable USB drives the easy way

Rufus: Create bootable USB drives the easy way

rufus.ie

 

[Grog6]

I've upgraded a bunch of processors in the past few years; most of the systems I use are ddr3; the x58 chipset systems have xeon x5670 processors that are multiplier unlocked, and run great at 4.6GHz. the x79 system is socket 2011, and is currently running a xeon e5-1650, which is a 6 core, multiplier unlocked processor, and runs faster than the 3930k processor I was using.
I also have a cheap x79 mobo with a e52650 10 core processor, which is multiplier locked, but runs fine at 266fsb, but needs to be water cooled. that's 5.5 ghz on a 10 core processor.
It runs fine at 4.5ghz on a heat pipe cooler.
I use cpu-id's monitor program for temperature monitoring, and euler 3d for performance benchmarks.

 

[White Lincoln]

FYI - i went through this process a few months ago, Rufus, the tool to write the Windows Media ISO onto a USB stick, can automatically patch out the Win11 requirements/checks when writing to the USB boot drive.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1kgsvwh/rufus_modifies_windows_11_install_behavior

ISO from here

Download Windows 11

Rufus Tool

Rufus - Create bootable USB drives the easy way

Rufus: Create bootable USB drives the easy way

rufus.ie

Nice Gunn! Thanks for sharing the info. Since I was using a clean SDD drive, I did not need to do any of that. One advantage of doing it from scratch. Nice post though, informative!

 

[CDsDontBurn]

FYI - i went through this process a few months ago, Rufus, the tool to write the Windows Media ISO onto a USB stick, can automatically patch out the Win11 requirements/checks when writing to the USB boot drive.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1kgsvwh/rufus_modifies_windows_11_install_behavior

ISO from here

Download Windows 11

Rufus Tool

Rufus - Create bootable USB drives the easy way

Rufus: Create bootable USB drives the easy way

rufus.ie

I've used Rufus so many times for win11 installs at work, it's awesome. Excellent recommendation to the community here, @gunn .

I'm going to have to use it one more time for my personal computer sometime before October to get my computer on the win11 bandwagon.

 

[White Lincoln]

I've upgraded a bunch of processors in the past few years; most of the systems I use are ddr3; the x58 chipset systems have xeon x5670 processors that are multiplier unlocked, and run great at 4.6GHz. the x79 system is socket 2011, and is currently running a xeon e5-1650, which is a 6 core, multiplier unlocked processor, and runs faster than the 3930k processor I was using.
I also have a cheap x79 mobo with a e52650 10 core processor, which is multiplier locked, but runs fine at 266fsb, but needs to be water cooled. that's 5.5 ghz on a 10 core processor.
It runs fine at 4.5ghz on a heat pipe cooler.
I use cpu-id's monitor program for temperature monitoring, and euler 3d for performance benchmarks.

Funny you mention the e5-1650 because I was reading an article about someone using that chip and saying it was faster than other e5-16XX processors. But I don't know if the article was written before the e5-26XX came out or was not available to the author at the time. I mainly wanted the version 4 processor, but it may not matter when it comes up major updates and Microsoft may not allow the updates to be installed... but there will be a workaround for it, people find a way.

Hmmm.... found a xeon 1650 V4 on Amazon for CHEAP! The stats are close to the 2687w.

 

[Grog6]

The 16xx chips are unlocked multiplier chips, and easy to overclock. most run cool to over 4.5 GHz.
The 26xx series are locked,requiring fsb overclocking, which is much harder to get stable. Some chips are better than others; the 10 core 26l50 I have is a 2ghz stock speed chip. but I've ran it to 5.5ghz at a 266 fsb frequency. If your board doesn't support overclocking, there's a tool
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/ be careful, read on their forum. you can break stuff with tools like that

 

[White Lincoln]

The 16xx chips are unlocked multiplier chips, and easy to overclock. most run cool to over 4.5 GHz.
The 26xx series are locked,requiring fsb overclocking, which is much harder to get stable. Some chips are better than others; the 10 core 26l50 I have is a 2ghz stock speed chip. but I've ran it to 5.5ghz at a 266 fsb frequency. If your board doesn't support overclocking, there's a tool
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/ be careful, read on their forum. you can break stuff with tools like that

I kinda chuckled cause the BIOS does not let you change much, just turn features on and off. The more I thought about, laughed a few times and realized for what I do with this computer, it is actually more than I will ever need. Now, if I was into gaming....

Thanks Grog for info, much appreciated.

 

[Grog6]

The 16xx chips are unlocked multiplier chips, and easy to overclock. most run cool to over 4.5 GHz.
The 26xx series are locked,requiring fsb overclocking, which is much harder to get stable. Some chips are better than others; the 10 core 26l50 I have is a 2ghz stock speed chip. but I've ran it to 5.5ghz at a 266 fsb frequency. If your board doesn't support overclocking, there's a tool on tech powerup called throttlestop that lets you change it.