What did you do with your Thunderbird Today?

Your car is a 89-92, right?
I have a 93, it had two metering blocks for the rear, I want to have it where there’s a line for each side of the front coming off the proportioning valve and one line for the rear that I’m going to T into the pre existing lines going out back.
 
I always thought of this is a radical mod when I had it and went back to stock for keeping it original sake, but recently decided what the hell and threw it on. How noticeable is it?

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Is that pattern in the plastic or is that a metal wire rock guard grill? I’ve never seen headlights with that pattern. Where did you get it from?
 
I always thought of this is a radical mod when I had it and went back to stock for keeping it original sake, but recently decided what the hell and threw it on. How noticeable is it?
I have thought about going to GM headlights, but decided I like stock better. I've seen some with a much tight grid in them. Not sure I've seen them like that.
 
I have thought about going to GM headlights, but decided I like stock better. I've seen some with a much tight grid in them. Not sure I've seen them like that.

They’re all like this. My biggest reason for getting rid of them was because I was on a stock exterior kick down to the cats eye parking lights the 9005/9006 equipped GM lights obviously don’t have. Plus I used to use them with 96-97 corners which while matching in their clearness do not match at all in the lens shape or those goofy horizontal lines, which oddly the 89-95 corners do.

I still have the same header panel I modified for them way back in 2007 so I figured what the hell. With the correct fluted corners they look pretty much the same in factory execution as 94-98 Cobra lights.

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I like it both ways; I would choose whatever provides the better illumination.

Esthetically, I prefer lights which separate low beam and high beam bulbs. Makes for more conspicuous flash to pass.

Whether it's clear see-through or the older type lense doesn't make a huge difference to me in terms of looks. Your DRL mod is probably more attractive with four amber bulbs though.
 
I like it both ways; I would choose whatever provides the better illumination.

Esthetically, I prefer lights which separate low beam and high beam bulbs. Makes for more conspicuous flash to pass.

Whether it's clear see-through or the older type lense doesn't make a huge difference to me in terms of looks. Your DRL mod is probably more attractive with four amber bulbs though.

It’s about a draw with the 9005/9006 bulbs IME but these can be retrofitted with much better 9011/9012 bulbs which I’ll do eventually. My cougar housings were getting very cloudy and one of the stupid LEDs died back in November so I’m back to my roots.

Speaking of bulbs, there’s so much space between the header panel and core support now it’s almost as if MN12s were designed to use 9005/9006 bulbs in the first place😆

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Speaking of bulbs, there’s so much space between the header panel and core support now it’s almost as if MN12s were designed to use 9005/9006 bulbs in the first place😆
Now hold on just a second. Are you telling me you can replace the headlight bulbs on these things without removing the front bumper cover, left front fender and both doors? I've been working on too many late model cars lately.
 
Got my headlight relay harness in (partially, I need to run the battery wire/fuses) I made it with way oversized wire so I probably added all the weight in wire back I shed 😆

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Can you see the harness to the bulbs? Nope? Exactly. It’s run between the crash bumper and header panel, damn near hidden! See the old 9007 and inboard parking light pigtails? Nope? Yeah it wasn’t just ABS junk I yanked!

Was hoping to get the brake lines swapped today with much much poking around and staring but it’s going to suck getting the two lines that go to the rear lines in. I do know it’s possible! I got these out of a car, but I don’t want to scratch shit up on my car 😆

Now hold on just a second. Are you telling me you can replace the headlight bulbs on these things without removing the front bumper cover, left front fender and both doors? I've been working on too many late model cars lately.

Yes!

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And yes the ABS stamping on my datatag will annoy me from here on out lol
 
Well I WAS actually going to put in the brake lines tonight, even loosened up the brake booster to ease the pita of feeding the rear lines from the bottom( btw the clutch pedal makes getting the left most booster nut out a joy!) but where I remembered to flush out the lines I’m putting in I didn’t think to check the proportioning valve, and this was the sight in a few of the ports

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Ick.

So I sprayed them out very liberally with brake clean and they looked fine… but I smartly decided to bust them off the bracket and peek inside and these were the results

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It took a ton of effort to get this valve out

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So pretty much all the gunk I hoped to flush out with brake clean just shoved it out of sight, so I’m glad I took it apart to see.

So clean it out and throw them back together? Well…


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That’s AFTER rigorous cleaning, nothing is taking that white stuff off and I’m strongly suspecting it’s corrosion, and given it’s particularly bad where the valve’s seal ring sits I’m thinking they may be kaput. :bangwall:
 
Yes that is aluminum corrosion. You would have to pick all that out of there and chances are they are pitted pretty badly.
 
Yes that is aluminum corrosion. You would have to pick all that out of there and chances are they are pitted pretty badly.

Good reminder to change your brake fluid! I’ve had this thing in a sealed bag since I pulled it. So this must have happened in the course of the car I pulled it from’s lifetime.

Happen to have a spare? 🤣
 
It was probably from sitting in the bag and absorbing moisture. Should always flush out brake parts you're going to store.
 
It was probably from sitting in the bag and absorbing moisture. Should always flush out brake parts you're going to store.

I did flush it out but I think by the nature of being a valve it probably retained some old fluid inside and it pulled in moisture. I did the same flush to the lines and they’re still mint.

The good news is I soaked them in penetrating oil for a few hours tonight and scrubbed the bores with a tiny brush and got rid of the vast majority of it, to the point I might actually roll the dice and run it. All the rubber is good and there’s no pitting where the external O rings seal against.

My biggest area of concern however is the internal seal on the valve itself, there’s definitely some pitting in that deep section but I’m not sure how it would effect brake performance, as there seems to be some deliberate controlled flow through there as the rubber seal has grooves(like a tire tread) to let high pressure brake fluid pass to begin with. In fact it’s the only possible way for pressure to go to the rear brakes; the master circuits enter from the top, there’s unrestricted flow to the front calipers from the sides and the rears on the bottom are physically separated by that treaded seal(controlled leak?) hydraulics aren’t my strongsuit so I’m probably huffing copioum somewhat but the only thing that acts on that spring is the rear brake circuit so… We’ll see. Right now I kind of trust what I have despite its wounds over another used one after tonight’s dissection.




Oh on the full topic of the thread at hand I also gutted the last remaining ABS wiring to the rear sensors! That’s actually a shitload of wire! I know it’s not going to be impressive in the grand scheme but I from the start intend to weigh the FULL wire + HCU + sensors of the ABS system to see what they add to this platform down to the ounce… minus the dashboard harness, since that’s a pain in the ass, marginal and ALL MN12 dash harnesses are prewired for the couple of ABS circuits within. I for one am curious enough to see the tally that it’s motivated this pointless project of mine 😝
 
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The white crystals are a glycol hydrate; you might get the white crap out by baking it in the oven. It should decompose back into water and glycol, and evaporate, 250-275 should work. Those al pieces are anodized, and brass rust is green. Tin rust,lead rust and al rust are white. copper,brass and bronze are green. (bronze and brass are mostly copper.)
A few drops of battery acid in water would eat the corrosion, and brighten the brass.
 
I did flush it out but I think by the nature of being a valve it probably retained some old fluid inside and it pulled in moisture. I did the same flush to the lines and they’re still mint.

The good news is I soaked them in penetrating oil for a few hours tonight and scrubbed the bores with a tiny brush and got rid of the vast majority of it, to the point I might actually roll the dice and run it. All the rubber is good and there’s no pitting where the external O rings seal against.

My biggest area of concern however is the internal seal on the valve itself, there’s definitely some pitting in that deep section but I’m not sure how it would effect brake performance, as there seems to be some deliberate controlled flow through there as the rubber seal has grooves(like a tire tread) to let high pressure brake fluid pass to begin with. In fact it’s the only possible way for pressure to go to the rear brakes; the master circuits enter from the top, there’s unrestricted flow to the front calipers from the sides and the rears on the bottom are physically separated by that treaded seal(controlled leak?) hydraulics aren’t my strongsuit so I’m probably huffing copioum somewhat but the only thing that acts on that spring is the rear brake circuit so… We’ll see. Right now I kind of trust what I have despite its wounds over another used one after tonight’s dissection.




Oh on the full topic of the thread at hand I also gutted the last remaining ABS wiring to the rear sensors! That’s actually a shitload of wire! I know it’s not going to be impressive in the grand scheme but I from the start intend to weigh the FULL wire + HCU + sensors of the ABS system to see what they add to this platform down to the ounce… minus the dashboard harness, since that’s a pain in the ass, marginal and ALL MN12 dash harnesses are prewired for the couple of ABS circuits within. I for one am curious enough to see the tally that it’s motivated this pointless project of mine 😝

Doesn't hurt to try. The worst that would happen would be messed up biasing.
 
The white crystals are a glycol hydrate; you might get the white crap out by baking it in the oven. It should decompose back into water and glycol, and evaporate, 250-275 should work. Those al pieces are anodized, and brass rust is green. Tin rust,lead rust and al rust are white. copper,brass and bronze are green. (bronze and brass are mostly copper.)
A few drops of battery acid in water would eat the corrosion, and brighten the brass.

I’ll definitely try that! It’s actually anodized aluminum, the gold color just makes it look brassy
 
Drained the oil while it's in the air waiting for fuel pump parts, going to put in a new FL820s. I bought a box of 12 fl820s in 2019, they were $4.19 each back then. Guess that was a good purchase since they are about 8$ each now.

Here is a picture of my fancy exhaust setup :LOL:... It's a Dynomax mid pipe, and muffler delete. IDK why these cars came with a mushed mid pipe from the factory?:unsure:

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Was going to change the exhaust setup, but decided to just get some new tips to replace the rusted ones. Maybe ill even be cheap and get the steel wool out and see if they clean up
 
Took the LSC for excercise. When I was parking at say 1 mph, the steering resisted a bit then froze up completely - the engine appeared to have just stopped. A check engine came on, I took the key out and started it again. The check engine light went away and I drove it home. Not sure what that was about
 
Drained the oil while it's in the air waiting for fuel pump parts, going to put in a new FL820s. I bought a box of 12 fl820s in 2019, they were $4.19 each back then. Guess that was a good purchase since they are about 8$ each now.

Here is a picture of my fancy exhaust setup :LOL:... It's a Dynomax mid pipe, and muffler delete. IDK why these cars came with a mushed mid pipe from the factory?:unsure:

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Was going to change the exhaust setup, but decided to just get some new tips to replace the rusted ones. Maybe ill even be cheap and get the steel wool out and see if they clean up
Hey Kenz, take 20 min and some steel wool and polish up those pipes!

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Today (actually yesterday) I ran codes on the car. I noticed that the idle was low after finishing the exhaust and it seems to be missing every once in a while at idle. the codes came back that the idle was correct (and has not been an issue after running the tester) and that I still have 137/173 codes and I bet its the injectors are just crap and dumping fuel into into the intake, or at least one or two are crap.
 
Followed up on @Grog6 ’s suggestion to cook out the corrosion so I threw them on my hot plate and it actually kinda worked! All that white shit is gone! Still plenty of corrosion in there but where the seals go actually looks smooth and clean, so I think I’ll be sending this proportioning valve. Gonna try to find new seals first though, they all look fine but better that than dump a quart of brake fluid on my cars virgin inner fenders!

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Today (actually yesterday) I ran codes on the car. I noticed that the idle was low after finishing the exhaust and it seems to be missing every once in a while at idle. the codes came back that the idle was correct (and has not been an issue after running the tester) and that I still have 137/173 codes and I bet its the injectors are just crap and dumping fuel into into the intake, or at least one or two are crap.

It could be an exhaust leak too, if the O2s are getting outside air they’ll indicate lean and overfuel to compensate.
 

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