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Younger enthusiasts are simply shut out of the new car market. The biggest difference between today’s muscle cars and the original period of muscle cars is the old ones really were marketed towards and purchased by twenty something’s and even teenagers with low cost ones like the Roadrunner. The current state of the muscle car market has performance that eclipses all those old ones(in reality a stock V8 MN12 is just about as fast as a stock 400 GTO) but it’s an entirely different market and the cars are really more German sport sedans other than their iconic names and throwback styling - a hellcat Charger may as well be an AMG Black, and it’s Daimler/Chrysler platform roots make that less an exaggeration than it seems - and they have price tags to match.

Younger buyers in general, enthusiast or not don’t buy new cars, the entry model of old was replaced by the used car market some time ago, and that’s a blessing and a curse. There are great used depreciated performance cars you can swing in your 20s, but without you springing the 80 grand for the brand new one the company has no incentive to keep making them either. But that’s a chicken and egg situation, since the exorbitant MSRPs are why younger buyers don’t (can’t) buy them. I don’t think the car enthusiast is necessarily dieing but the supply is being squeezed. Even in the used market there’s plenty of greed pricing out younger buyers, the collector car auctions saw to that. What few project cars are left seem to get gobbled up by every car YouTuber crawling up through the woodwork for their next bit of churned out “will it run?”content. There’s plenty of interested young enthusiasts but may never get their hands on their dream car.

As for the market as a whole, with the demise of sedans, I think the big issue is the automakers ever since the original Mustang catered to baby boomers, their sheer numbers and collective wealth got them preferential buying power. The Mustang was the automotive equivelent of the Beetles for them and bought them in droves, as they settled into adulthood the automakers catered to them with personal luxury coupes like the Monte Carlo(bigger ponycars basically) as they started to have families, sports sedans(preferably foreign), as the kids got bigger the minivan, as they entered their midlife crises the SUV, to be the “cool parent” to stand out from the minivan parents, then as the nests emptied they wanted to downsize to more efficient cars but their knees and hips hurt so automakers came up with the Crossover. Now that boomers have settled into retirement we’re left with that last fad. The stragglers hanging onto their youth buy the latest and greatest dark horse Mustang or mid engined Corvette or their old high school dream car with their savings.

Plus businessmen pushed out the car people from the industry, there’s no Delorean’s or Iacoccas in executive positions anymore, they’re deemed inefficient by the CEOs and shareholders who want profit, profit profit. I fucking hate Tesla and Elon Musk(other than ruining Twitter, which good riddance) but I gave him credit for a time interjecting his whims into Tesla cars, even the dumb Cybertruck, That’s a reason besides the climate change hyperbole those cars are appealing to buyers where every EV from a legacy maker is a lifeless commercial flop like the Lightning or Mach(er)E, there’s a passion behind them… Of course the corporate lawyers and shareholders motivated only by the almighty dollar would like nothing more than to distance Tesla from Musk for stability, but mark my words; watch that house of cards topple when that happens.

Ford and GM are complacent, they have their Mustang and Corvette and trucks to coast on the iconicness of and everything in between is joint venture/globalist junk to keep the dealerships in business. That’s what the fourth Gen SHO was, a shitty cast-off Volvo platform Ford got cheap and morphed it into a Taurus after a few slow selling generations. The Australian Falcon made more sense to bring over as an actual full size replacement, but the exchange rates were too high so we were saddled with the shitty D3 platform and the ancient Panther platform. GM at least had Bob Lutz briefly to get the Holden’s in American showrooms but corporate gave them absolutely zero marketing budget to help them find success, and scapegoated Lutz as everything wrong with the American car business. Chrysler is the only company that gave an appealing range of products in the last decade but only out of desperation to find a merging partner. Now that they have(Stellantis) those compelling products are ending and Dodge now is fielding a shitty globalist crossover called the Hornet until the Dodge brand goes the way of Plymouth within the next 10 years.
 
Speaking of youtubers. Looks like the cats are coming out of the bag more and more. Car Wizard is good, I like him. Apparently his assistant has had 6 birds already, wonder how much of him we've come across, or maybe a member sccoa


Chasing classifieds has been pretty heart breaking. I am always late to the sale, and the last thing I want to do is immediately jump on a purchase, especially now that some of my company is starting to demand two weeks notice to get a day off
 
That's not a good sign. The next one is them wanting you to sell accrued time off, lol.
 
That's precisely why we don't do accrued PTO. You get your PTO days automatically on your anniversary date.

It's a benefit and not an earned wage, which means you aren't entitled to it if you don't use it.
 
Speaking of youtubers. Looks like the cats are coming out of the bag more and more. Car Wizard is good, I like him. Apparently his assistant has had 6 birds already, wonder how much of him we've come across, or maybe a member sccoa


Chasing classifieds has been pretty heart breaking. I am always late to the sale, and the last thing I want to do is immediately jump on a purchase, especially now that some of my company is starting to demand two weeks notice to get a day off
No shoutout to birdcats? Boo!
 
Some really good observations that Matt made. I didn't even try to touch on the industry side of things because I can't speak to it, but it explains how the American big three lost the plot. When they don't have the passion for cars anymore, how can they expect their customers to?

It is a bit of a chicken and the egg problem, but Ford essentially created the situation they're in and their lack of vision helped pushed consumers away from their cars and also shaped how they perceive sedans in general. They've been locked in on the same customer base for years without considering that you can't sell to the same generation of the population forever. Since I'm younger than that Boomer-to-Gen X demographic that they've roughly been targeting, the Ford brand today is useless to me.

In recent automotive news, GM is exhibiting the type of tone deafness that pisses me off as a consumer even though I have no plans to get a new GM. They're getting rid of Android Auto and Apple CarPlay integration because of whatever BS "safety" reason they used as a facade to distract you from the inevitable subscription services they're going to charge for infotainment. Those "real people, not actors" but totally not real reactions Chevy commercials from a few years back really got the job done, didn't they? :rolleyes2:

GM out-Teslaing Tesla when they don't have the brand loyalty to fleece their customers...bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.
 
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Speaking of youtubers. Looks like the cats are coming out of the bag more and more. Car Wizard is good, I like him. Apparently his assistant has had 6 birds already, wonder how much of him we've come across, or maybe a member sccoa


Chasing classifieds has been pretty heart breaking. I am always late to the sale, and the last thing I want to do is immediately jump on a purchase, especially now that some of my company is starting to demand two weeks notice to get a day off
That's Tyler Grimes' car. He's on Facebook.

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Snapped this with my iPhone through a pair of binoculars tonight. Bobcat hunting out in front of the house.
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Speaking of youtubers. Looks like the cats are coming out of the bag more and more. Car Wizard is good, I like him. Apparently his assistant has had 6 birds already, wonder how much of him we've come across, or maybe a member sccoa


Chasing classifieds has been pretty heart breaking. I am always late to the sale, and the last thing I want to do is immediately jump on a purchase, especially now that some of my company is starting to demand two weeks notice to get a day off


Nice I haven't seen this video yet. Car Wizard and Hoovies Garage are some of my favorite Youtube channels... IIRC Mr. Grimes started working for Omega several months ago, Wizard had a video he introduced him in. Seems like he is the Wizards go to mechanic now as he gets a lot of the complicated jobs. When he mentioned he was a Thunderbird enthusiast in a past video, I was expecting we would see his MN12 sometime soon.

Tyler Hoover had a Mark VIII a few years ago but he didn't do much with it. I believe he made a single video review. He seemed to be a fan of the car but hes all about the Youtube views, so didn't hold on to it very long.
 
Unless she had to have a new car used Tauri are available through the 2018 model year. Did you look at the Ford Escape - Jointly developed by Ford with Mazda and similar to the Hyundai Tucson, or the Ford Edge SUV (Smaller than the Explorer)?

There was a Taurus that we were interested in when we were car shopping. Unfortunately, the seller was a complete idiot and we ended up passing on that one. Maybe it's better that way.

This Taurus was a Limited trim, AWD and blue exterior and black interior. It was gorgeous for sure.
 
Some really good observations that Brandon made. I didn't even try to touch on the industry side of things because I can't speak to it, but it explains how the American big three lost the plot. When they don't have the passion for cars anymore, how can they expect their customers to?

It is a bit of a chicken and the egg problem, but Ford essentially created the situation they're in and their lack of vision helped pushed consumers away from their cars and also shaped how they perceive sedans in general. They've been locked in on the same customer base for years without considering that you can't sell to the same generation of the population forever. Since I'm younger than that Boomer-to-Gen X demographic that they've roughly been targeting, the Ford brand today is useless to me.

In recent automotive news, GM is exhibiting the type of tone deafness that pisses me off as a consumer even though I have no plans to get a new GM. They're getting rid of Android Auto and Apple CarPlay integration because of whatever BS "safety" reason they used as a facade to distract you from the inevitable subscription services they're going to charge for infotainment. Those "real people, not actors" but totally not real reactions Chevy commercials from a few years back really got the job done, didn't they? :rolleyes2:

GM out-Teslaing Tesla when they don't have the brand loyalty to fleece their customers...bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.
I’m Matt :rofl:

I totally agree, that sort of wishy washyness with features like that does them no favors either, there’s no confidence they’ll support anything in their cars down the road when they get rid of something like that.
 
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OMG, how the hell did I screw that up?

I originally started writing that post on mobile and I guess I saw Brandon because he started this thread so I must have read the thread starter as the person who replied last. Sorry Matt!
 
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Pictured here is probably one of the rarest license plates still in existence. I spotted it today on I-75 just west of Knoxville. Around 2007, North Carolina switched to red letter plates. They were recalled within two years because apparently a lot of cops lied about not being colorblind on their entrance exams. NC then went back to the classic blue letter plates we all know and love.

During the red letter run, the first plate to be issued was "WTF-5505". The prefix "WTF" ran its course all the way from WTF-0000 to WTF-9999. Some people found this to be offensive and all 10,000 "WTF" plates were promptly recalled.

So what we have here is a valid license plate that was likely issued in 2008 and has somehow since survived two separate recall campaigns.

What's even funnier is the sample plate on NCDMV's personalized plate website was "WTF-5505" for years even after the WTF recall happened.
 
I have to ask .. is the fire to keep warms, or are you going to cook some lunch ? 🤔
 
I had a freaking field day(?) last night in this fog. I wanted to stay out there for hours. Would have been the perfect night for pics of the car :bangwall:

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Happy New Year to all! Out doin' some rat killin' and took a couple of pics of my very stock '96. I must be a dumb ass if I can't get better pics out of an iPhone 14.1 Jan 2024 TBird 1.png1 Jan 2024 TBird 2.png1 Jan 2024 TBird 3.png
 

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Younger enthusiasts are simply shut out of the new car market. The biggest difference between today’s muscle cars and the original period of muscle cars is the old ones really were marketed towards and purchased by twenty something’s and even teenagers with low cost ones like the Roadrunner. The current state of the muscle car market has performance that eclipses all those old ones(in reality a stock V8 MN12 is just about as fast as a stock 400 GTO) but it’s an entirely different market and the cars are really more German sport sedans other than their iconic names and throwback styling - a hellcat Charger may as well be an AMG Black, and it’s Daimler/Chrysler platform roots make that less an exaggeration than it seems - and they have price tags to match.

Younger buyers in general, enthusiast or not don’t buy new cars, the entry model of old was replaced by the used car market some time ago, and that’s a blessing and a curse. There are great used depreciated performance cars you can swing in your 20s, but without you springing the 80 grand for the brand new one the company has no incentive to keep making them either. But that’s a chicken and egg situation, since the exorbitant MSRPs are why younger buyers don’t (can’t) buy them. I don’t think the car enthusiast is necessarily dieing but the supply is being squeezed. Even in the used market there’s plenty of greed pricing out younger buyers, the collector car auctions saw to that. What few project cars are left seem to get gobbled up by every car YouTuber crawling up through the woodwork for their next bit of churned out “will it run?”content. There’s plenty of interested young enthusiasts but may never get their hands on their dream car.

As for the market as a whole, with the demise of sedans, I think the big issue is the automakers ever since the original Mustang catered to baby boomers, their sheer numbers and collective wealth got them preferential buying power. The Mustang was the automotive equivelent of the Beetles for them and bought them in droves, as they settled into adulthood the automakers catered to them with personal luxury coupes like the Monte Carlo(bigger ponycars basically) as they started to have families, sports sedans(preferably foreign), as the kids got bigger the minivan, as they entered their midlife crises the SUV, to be the “cool parent” to stand out from the minivan parents, then as the nests emptied they wanted to downsize to more efficient cars but their knees and hips hurt so automakers came up with the Crossover. Now that boomers have settled into retirement we’re left with that last fad. The stragglers hanging onto their youth buy the latest and greatest dark horse Mustang or mid engined Corvette or their old high school dream car with their savings.

Plus businessmen pushed out the car people from the industry, there’s no Delorean’s or Iacoccas in executive positions anymore, they’re deemed inefficient by the CEOs and shareholders who want profit, profit profit. I fucking hate Tesla and Elon Musk(other than ruining Twitter, which good riddance) but I gave him credit for a time interjecting his whims into Tesla cars, even the dumb Cybertruck, That’s a reason besides the climate change hyperbole those cars are appealing to buyers where every EV from a legacy maker is a lifeless commercial flop like the Lightning or Mach(er)E, there’s a passion behind them… Of course the corporate lawyers and shareholders motivated only by the almighty dollar would like nothing more than to distance Tesla from Musk for stability, but mark my words; watch that house of cards topple when that happens.

Ford and GM are complacent, they have their Mustang and Corvette and trucks to coast on the iconicness of and everything in between is joint venture/globalist junk to keep the dealerships in business. That’s what the fourth Gen SHO was, a shitty cast-off Volvo platform Ford got cheap and morphed it into a Taurus after a few slow selling generations. The Australian Falcon made more sense to bring over as an actual full size replacement, but the exchange rates were too high so we were saddled with the shitty D3 platform and the ancient Panther platform. GM at least had Bob Lutz briefly to get the Holden’s in American showrooms but corporate gave them absolutely zero marketing budget to help them find success, and scapegoated Lutz as everything wrong with the American car business. Chrysler is the only company that gave an appealing range of products in the last decade but only out of desperation to find a merging partner. Now that they have(Stellantis) those compelling products are ending and Dodge now is fielding a shitty globalist crossover called the Hornet until the Dodge brand goes the way of Plymouth within the next 10 years.
Pretty damn sad. My first car was a 1973 Plymouth Fury, former Border Patrol car (yeah that sorta yellow tan color) with a 360 and apparently geared for pursuit. Sucker cost me $500 when I was 17 making minimum wage of $3.35 an hour at a full service Exxon station in 1982. Mommy and daddy were not gonna buy me shit (didn't expect them to) and I was happy as hell to have that, knotty Goodyear Polyglas GT tires and all.
 
Because I like to do inflation stuffs when it comes about...

$500 in 1982 money is equivalent to $1,590.94 in *today's money.

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And minimum wage of $3.35/hr in 1982 money is equivalent to $10.66/hr in *today's money.

Minimum wage back then and minimum wage ($7.50/hr) of *today are not equal, but that's for a different discussion.

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* 2024 numbers have not yet been calculated as it's only the first day of 2024 at the time of this posting.
 
Brought up some more zeros on the GP GT on the way home from my buddies house new years day. Hard to see but yes, that's a "5" in front. Looking to see how many miles I can rack up this year, assuming the chassis doesn't give out.



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I've got quite a ways to go on the Honda then! I didn't realize it until earlier today when I was looking through photos, but it had taken my 2yrs almost to the day to rack up that last 20k miles to get to 400k!

My Honda doesn't get driving love it once used to.
 
Brought up some more zeros on the GP GT on the way home from my buddies house new years day. Hard to see but yes, that's a "5" in front. Looking to see how many miles I can rack up this year, assuming the chassis doesn't give out.



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Don’t even need to say it, I know it’s the 3800. Best V6 ever made
 
Came up with a handy way to locate a 4-piston brake caliper and fix it in place while I work up mounting provisions this evening. It self-centers and holds itself rigidly in place. I may even stick a quarter-turn ball valve in line so that I can remove the air hose.

Besides trying to juggle the heavy thing without a third hand, I wanted a way to hold it in place, square to and centered on the rotor, while I whip up my mounts.


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