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1997ThunderbirdLXV6 said:
I just don't see it. His play always seemed crude to me, almost bored, and lacking authenticity. Connery looked like a guy who was told to wear a suit; Moore looked comfortable wearing it.

And the movies...I think that's very much a generational thing. Connery's films are very dated to me. With Moore's films, the writing changed and Bond became more complex. In TMWTGG, there's a scene where Scaramanga tells Bond that they had a lot in common. Bond replys by saying: there's a very useful four-letter word, and you are full of it. I don't remember Connery's Bond ever expressing much of an opinion.

And A View to a Kill... Yes, he was too old. Yes, it lacks an exotic destination. It almost feels like a made-for-TV movie at times.
But it has Walken and Jones, who have fantastic chemistry with each other. And that scene where they want to drown Bond and he breathes air from the tire: total teachable moment when I was a kid; that's how I'll do it if ever anyone wants to drown me (preferably in a Rolls-Royce). And the Eiffel Tower jump!

My mother preferred Connery, too. I once asked her why. She said because of the chest hair.
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Connery had a swagger that worked, it just fit the same way Aston Martin fit even though I love Moore’s Lotus Esprit’s.

Generationally speaking the first Bond in my personal lifetime was Brosnan, (possibly Dalton lisence to kill may have been my birth year). I prefer the Moore movies in spite of them predating my existence by quite a bit, Connery I recognize how dated they are but otoh he’s like a 60s Pontiac GTO; a muscle car not as statistically great as others but has style that surpasses all. The visual image of 007 is most definitely Connery, but Moore is still my favorite Bond, in the same way I truly think the most important/iconic muscle car is the GTO yet it’s way low on my list of favorite muscle cars from the era.


Personally to me it’s somewhat of a tie. Connery had less movies in the role I like but the ones I like were great, Moore had more movies I like but do I necessarily think he was the best Bond? I’m conflicted. I think most Bonds beyond those two were doing imitations of either or both, but Connery and Moore were original enough in their own rights to earn their status as the character without debate. Moore for me was just more fun.
 
Goldeneye was the first Bond I saw in a movie theater. It was an event! I always loved Remington Steele, so I had high hopes. I wasn't disappointed. Brosnan is my second favorite Bond.

He was supposed to follow after Moore, but he had contractual obligations to Remington Steele, which is why Dalton came in.

Brosnan's first wife Cassandra Harris was in For Your Eyes Only. The producers met him then and wanted him ever since.
 
1997ThunderbirdLXV6 said:
Indeed!
Plus Roger Moore is my favorite Bond.
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XR7-4.6 said:
Same! We’re a rare breed!
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I'm late to the Bond chat .... But I also agree Moore the best bond. I've met very few people who share the same opinion :LOL:

It was upsetting when Pluto TV got rid of the bond channel. They were streaming them in chronological order non stop. There was about a year of Bond playing almost 24x7 in my house. Something about it having the commercial brakes was very comforting and made it a different experience
 
Kenz said:
I'm late to the Bond chat .... But I also agree Moore the best bond. I've met very few people who share the same opinion :LOL:

It was upsetting when Pluto TV got rid of the bond channel. They were streaming them in chronological order non stop. There was about a year of Bond playing almost 24x7 in my house. Something about it having the commercial brakes was very comforting and made it a different experience
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I remember that, I think they got pulled from Pluto when Amazon bought the rights. I just hope that never happens with the MST3K and Rifftrax channels!

When I was a kid TBS used to have the 15 days of 007 in December, I saw the vast majority of them from those marathons. Between stupid school and the inevitable need to sleep certain movies I’d catch a dozen times, others were elusive, I used to just press record on my VCR when I’d leave or sleep and tape over VHS tapes until it got something I hadn’t seen. Keeping in mind I had no real idea the release order at the time, and early 00s cable TV guide was just an excruciatingly slow scroll that you could only see an hour ahead of. God I feel like grandpa Simpson telling a story lol
 
I wouldn’t say he was the worst, he just played the role very different than all the other actors. I would say George Lazenby was the worst. All the other actors at least gave the role their own personal touches, but he was just a less appealing version of Connery.
 
Zep5.0 said:
Can we all agree Daniel Craig was the worst Bond?
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I’ve to date not been able to finish one. They feel like Jason Bourne knockoffs and the antagonists are always predictably flavor of the month actors from much better movies(Javier Bardem, Christoph Waltz) like they’re hosting SNL promoting their other flicks. I remember one where they were having a car chase while bond was literally talking on his iphone as he and the pursuers were doing well choreographed drifting… because it’s the 2010s and drifting is cool! They didn’t play the absurdity of that for laughs, they really thought” how badass!” Christ, have have a pigeon do a double take!

MadMikeyL said:
I wouldn’t say he was the worst, he just played the role very different than all the other actors. I would say George Lazenby was the worst. All the other actors at least gave the role their own personal touches, but he was just a less appealing version of Connery.
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Lazenby was a fairly terrible actor but on her majesty’s secret service as a whole was a better movie than any Craig bond movie, and ironically half the Craig era bond movies seemed to be going for the more serious tone that movie had. A lot of that movies problems seemed to be production related too, the sound was terrible, everybody in it sounds dubbed like a spaghetti western, so I’m not sure I’d lay that all on Lazenby. Plus Connery in the follow up Diamonds are Forever was probably the laziest effort I’ve ever seen an actor make in a movie ever. Imagine if THAT was the only Connery bond movie!
 
Yeah, Diamonds are Forever is pretty unwatchable. I liked the first 2 Daniel Craig bond movies. After that, all your criticisms are totally valid. Then again, the same complaints apply to the later Pierce Brosnan movies too. So maybe what we can all agree on is that every actor who played Bond hung on for 1 or 2 films too long!

On a related note, what is everyone’s opinion on the theory that “James Bond” is just a codename used by MI6 for whoever happens to be agent 007 at that time, and the different actors are actually supposed to be different people? This is how I tend to think of it because it allows a continuous story while accounting for the differences in the character, not to mention the timeline lasting more than 60 years! Also it fits in with Connery actually being the same character in The Rock as in the early Bond movies since the dates when he was arrested, then escaped, then arrested again in The Rock match up with the timeline of his Bond movies.
 
I think it's a stretch to even call that a  theory. The code name thing keeps coming up in the Bond community to explain things which, in my personal opinion, simply don't require an explanation.

He is a fictional character in fictional stories (which may take some inspiration from their contemporary context).

I read him as one person, one character, portrayed in varying ways and placed into stories which are not connected by a continuous timeline.

Fiction doesn't need to be logical. If anything, this theory somewhat spoils the character for me, stating that James Bond is  only a code name. Nah...
 
I too take a “don’t read too much into it” approach when it comes to continuity, especially considering the theory of different Bonds falls apart when Connery, Moore and Dalton’s bonds all acknowledged being widowers to the same Tracey from the Lazenby one (oh yeah 55 year old spoiler alert lol).

Another case in point is Felix Lighter, in multiple movies he’s played by multiple different actors, but oddly the same actor in Live and Let Die and License to Kill in spite of the 007 actor being different. Or for that matter Joe Don Baker’s characters who in The living Daylights was a warlord who was killed in the end, but went on to be Bonds CIA connection in the Brosnan era, or Maud Adams who’s character was a secondary Bond girl and killed in Man With a Golden Gun, only to come back a few years later as Octopussy as the main Bond girl. Oh and of course all the actors that played Blofeld… which is semi explained away in that he had a ridiculously good plastic surgeon to keep him from being recognized…(Maybe Bond did to???)

For me I kind of just look it like any previous or succeeding movie doesn’t matter, it’s not chronological, it’s just a guy named James Bond on an adventure and whatever one you’re watching right now is his biggest adventure in his career. It’s a very episodic series compared to something like Star Wars is today where there’s all this lore and backstory, Bond has a little of it with Spectre and Tracey but it’s very loose and mostly glossed over as far as continuity is concerned. The series worked in that you could have been brand new to James Bond in 1966 or 1976 or 1996 and you wouldn’t need to see what came before to understand anything. The way they did the intro scene before the credits was genius in that that established a random immediate previous adventure in that 5 minutes or so introducing everything you need to know about the character in every single movie, where it can just pick up on the main plot after the credits without all the expositional baggage most movies have to establish.

1997ThunderbirdLXV6 said:
The only Bond film I find unwatchable is License to Kill.
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License to Kill isn’t bad, but it definitely has the criticisms I have of Craig era (to present) Bond movies where it was clearly taking cues from the then popular style of action movies rather than just being itself. Definitely one of the ones I’ve watched the least. It feels like a combination of watching Die Hard and an episode of Miami Vice more than a Bond Movie. I remember some cool scenes but I really don’t remember the plot well at all.
 
XR7-4.6 said:
I remember some cool scenes but I really don’t remember the plot well at all.
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Same, assuming this is the one where he hangs from the back of a cargo plane.

What I do remember, however faintly, is an overall vibe of hate and Fargo-like cruelty. I don't want to see that! I saw a lot of Bond movies as a kid, and my parents never questioned if it was appropriate for family entertainment. Now as an adult, License to Kill (and possibly some Craig ones) are the only Bond movies that give me the creeps.
 
1997ThunderbirdLXV6 said:
Same, assuming this is the one where he hangs from the back of a cargo plane.

What I do remember, however faintly, is an overall vibe of hate and Fargo-like cruelty. I don't want to see that! I saw a lot of Bond movies as a kid, and my parents never questioned if it was appropriate for family entertainment. Now as an adult, License to Kill (and possibly some Craig ones) are the only Bond movies that give me the creeps.
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I know what you mean, and I love Fargo and those types of movies. Bond was it’s own unique thing, even though he beds every female in the movie and blows up at least 30 henchmen when the secret underground layer self destructs they’re remarkably PG to the point where it doesn’t seem inappropriate , no more so than an old bugs bunny cartoon at least.

I think the cargo plane scene was in the living daylights, the one that comes to mind in Lisence To kill was the tanker truck chase (which was basically knocking off road warrior/Indiana jones), there were some awesome stunts.
 
XR7-4.6 said:
they’re remarkably PG
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Right.

And the villains aren't cruel, cold-hearted murderers that torture someone to death just because he sold a typewriter to the wrong person (or whatever happens in Fargo; I can't remember).

Bond villains kill with a sort of charming megalomania. You can't be mad with them really. When Drax talks poetically about law and order in the heavens, you almost want him to win.

Did you ever watch Fantômas movies with Jean Marais and Louis de Funès? That's another thoroughly charming villain.
 
1997ThunderbirdLXV6 said:
Right.

And the villains aren't cruel, cold-hearted murderers that torture someone to death just because he sold a typewriter to the wrong person (or whatever happens in Fargo; I can't remember).

Bond villains kill with a sort of charming megalomania. You can't be mad with them really. When Drax talks poetically about law and order in the heavens, you almost want him to win.

Did you ever watch Fantômas movies with Jean Marais and Louis de Funès? That's another thoroughly charming villain.
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It’s funny you mention Drax, because I can come up with an immediate exception centered around him. Remember the scene where he has the Dobermans maul his assistant to death? That was pretty cruel, that scene in isolation feels like watching The Omen lol



Anyway just to rerail this thread for a change. Saw a car I thought was brought to near extinction by Hollywood, hoarded away away by investors or shown off by well to do YouTubers, it’s been an age since I saw a stock second gen just randomly in person

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Oh yeah and this time a year I’m reminded by another mod I DON’T regret lol

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The dogs, yeah... They just wanted to play.

Dual visors, I wonder if they exist in Light Prairie Tan. Possibly on a mid-90s Grand Marquis, though those may be too long (?).
 
1997ThunderbirdLXV6 said:
The dogs, yeah... They just wanted to play.

Dual visors, I wonder if they exist in Light Prairie Tan. Possibly on a mid-90s Grand Marquis, though those may be too long (?).
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The tan headliner fabric color might be the same if it’s anything like grey ones, I had the double visors in grey too before the conversion. They may have been a teeny bit lighter but not that much
 
You've always had an eye for photos. Ever thought of picking up a serious camera?
 
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